Trifecta Tune Review.

[ROD1]

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[ROD1]

Originally Posted by nallen00

Good luck to you

Wow! Im out! Good luck to you!

[kga10734]

I don't see why a "beta tester" would have to pay for anything until they saw HP gains, and then they should get the tune at a discount since they are donating their time and vehicle.

I believe if this V6 is going to be tuned for more HP, the company working on it will have to find a ex-Bosch employee that knows this PCM and get them to help program it for what ever price they name. They should start out with a bone stock car.

[wer2foxs]

If everyone recalls yours truly and another C5 member were offered Trifecta Tunes through Nallen back in January. I am not going into details of what happened however the inconsistency of information given to us did not add up so we decided to back out of this project. It may have all been a misunderstanding however neither one of us was not willing to take that chance. I never intended to mention this on this on C5 but after reading this thread I felt I needed to add another opinion.

[Beauwulf]

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS I AM LOOKING OUT FOR MY V6 CAMARO5 BROTHERS... NOT THE VENDORS.... it that gets me slapped, banned or worse so be....[/QUOTE]

+1 ... oh, you forgot to add "deleted" to the list.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by kga10734

I don't see why a "beta tester" would have to pay for anything until they saw HP gains, and then they should get the tune at a discount since they are donating their time and vehicle.

I believe if this V6 is going to be tuned for more HP, the company working on it will have to find a ex-Bosch employee that knows this PCM and get them to help program it for what ever price they name. They should start out with a bone stock car.

Couple of things..

1) I did get a discounted price... I have no problem with the price I paid for things.. Like I mentioned I knew going it I might see zero gains... but I also knew however I could see a benefit from firmer shifts and the reduction of the torque management...

2) Perhaps I wasn't clear. Vince is able to adjust/tune/manipulate the computer... it's not that the tune doesn't work... it's a matter of the stock tune already being highly optimized and their simply not being a lot of room for improvement.

And since we haven't heard anything from the other tuning company in a couple weeks, my wild guess is perhaps they are running into the same thing... no real big gains to be found from just a tune...

[ROD1]

I would really like to thank Beau and Scrm for their honesty. They have good money invested and were willing to sacrifice for the Cam5 community. Hats off to you guys!

[esperman]

I agree with Screaming....this Tune option may work very well for those who want LT, NOS or some other big upgrades. I also have no problem with Nate or his company...but getting annoyed with a Trifecta customer's honest impressions bug me. And I don't think 'wulf hijacked this thread ... since he & screaming were all of our testers for this experiment.

If I decide to void my powertrain warranty...Vince may the be the best way to go. I'm still undecided. Too early.

But I suggest he start posting more and responding to members here...since it's his product.

[esperman]

Originally Posted by kga10734

I don't see why a "beta tester" would have to pay for anything until they saw HP gains, and then they should get the tune at a discount since they are donating their time and vehicle.

I believe if this V6 is going to be tuned for more HP, the company working on it will have to find a ex-Bosch employee that knows this PCM and get them to help program it for what ever price they name. They should start out with a bone stock car.

I've beta tested before. Paying ANYTHING at all is contrary to the term "BETA TESTER" especially if you screw up YOUR car.......and the vendor shrugs it off cause you knew the risks

[CatiaJockey]

Originally Posted by ROD1

I would really like to thank Beau and Scrm for their honesty. They have good money invested and were willing to sacrifice for the Cam5 community. Hats off to you guys!

Ditto! Thanks guys!

[VinceTrifecta]

Hi all,

This is a very good thread here. I don't get a chance to spend much time on the forums, but it was suggested I come here and post up.

We are a custom tuning company, we specialize in analyzing a customer's vehicle for inefficiencies, then make incremental adjustments to the tune until our analysis concludes the vehicle is optimally tuned.

The first 2010 LLT car we did produced a gain of 23HP and around 17TQ on the dyno, and I'll post the dyno sheet if I can find it. The reason it gained this much power was because the equipment that had been installed by the owner caused the WOT fuel mixture to be incorrect (very lean).

We've since tuned three of these cars - two "beta testers", and one "production car". We're in the process of also tuning a twin-turbo'd 2010 V6 Camaro (which is going very well).

The two beta testers' cars ended up accepting very few tuning changes. Despite the modifications, the vehicles showed a very decent air to fuel ratio, so there wasn't much to do there. The dyno car was way too lean, and the production customer's vehicle was drowning in fuel at WOT due to his modifications, to the point of misfiring which has been resolved.

As for timing, GM basically throws a bunch of timing at these engines, and lets the knock sensors pull it back out to adapt to the fuel quality. Our dyno car showed a solid 9* of knock retard (KR) on the dyno with the stock tune. Obviously we're not going to get any more timing into the engine, but we did experiment with WOT air to fuel ratio to see if we could reduce the KR with more (or less) fuel, and we also tried removing timing from the base timing table.

For cam phasing, we tried modifying these tables also, but we did not see any substantial changes in power, but did verify the cam phase changed via data logging.

So, we've proven the ability to change the cam phasing, timing, air/fuel ratio, DTCs, and torque management settings - all the things necessary to provide custom tuning.

I'll be the first to say this is not going to be a mass-market tune for stock vehicles, though, since GM tuned these so well from the factory. It only makes sense if the vehicle has a modification that skews the tune. It's not that it isn't understood how to tune them, only that GM didn't leave us much room for improvement. One area I'd like to delve into is the knock detection logic, but unlike other tuners that sacrifice engine safety for dyno numbers, I'm not real excited about reducing the knock detection factors - this is an area I trust the factory in.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

There is a subforum for vendor experiences/reviews here.

In the future do not Hijack another thread only to bash the vendor's involved. You are free to make your own review and assessment of a vendor you have dealt with. In which, the Vendor is able to state his case.

Review threads are expected to follow the same rules as any other section of the website. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. And if either side of the debate is found to be doing anything illegal or unethical they will ultimately be permitted from posting on Camaro5.

I'm removing all off topic post from this thread. Feel free to start a review thread in the linked section above.

Thanks,

Chris

Maybe some of you ought to be a little more careful about how you phrase things....

We don't have paying sponsors on this site so we can objectively moderate. No Vendor gets any special treatment here. In fact I have a folder full of PM's complaining about how they are mistreated and should be allowed to moderate their own threads.... Not gonna happen.

Now, having said that. All I'm asking is that you let the OP have his thread. It's not about whos right or who's wrong.

I'm more than willing to let you all have this discussion, ALL I'm asking is you do it in the right section. And from what I've read. It looks like we are arguing over a misunderstanding? That some one saw gains from a tune because they had a CAI while others didn't because they were stock at time of tune. And as such the "reported" gains from the tune were misrepresented? But, everyone agrees that they knew in advance that the tune may not have any HP gains on a stock motor?

So the point of the jacking the thread is to accomplish what? Get people to admit what they already know.... Or to make our members aware of what has been stated over and over again?

Yes, I am being a little cynical to make a point.... All I'm asking is you put this conversation in the correct place. Then hash it our there.

We do expect our members to be able to critique the products sold here to educate and inform the rest of us. But we should also be respectful of members who have a different opinion.

Quick example: If you see a thread that says. I love this product! and you've had trouble with that vendor. feel free to post a link to your review thread in the, "I love this product" thread so people will see both sides.

Members here should not feel like we are silencing complaints. We, in fact, encourage them. I wish more people would use the review section. It is one of the most Viewed sections on the forum when you consider the few number of new threads it has.

I've deleted the posts that have continued the debate. I will move all of them into a trifecta review thread.

Cool?

[GTAHVIT]

Reserved.

[Iwantone2]

at GTAHVIT...