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1bad65 · 03-01-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Stew

Ya know honestly, as long as you go to a website featuring just one car, that is alsways going to be the best, and fastest and creams the other 2. Good luck getting an unbiased opinion and no bashing of the cars that site doesn't cover (be it Camaro, Mustang, or Challenger).

Not in my experience. The Mustang sites I visit are all open to the fact the 5th Gen Camaros are faster stock vs stock than 5th Gen Mustangs. It is what it is. It's the hard core Challenger guys that cant admit their cars aren't the fastest things on the road.

ULTRAZLS1 · 03-01-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 1bad65

Not in my experience. The Mustang sites I visit are all open to the fact the 5th Gen Camaros are faster stock vs stock than 5th Gen Mustangs. It is what it is. It's the hard core Challenger guys that cant admit their cars aren't the fastest things on the road.

I KNOW....they think that HEMI on the motor means that they can take everything on the road. Like I said....pixie dust.

Im not sure if most owners even realize they are not a true hemi design anymore.

I may get some heat for this, but if I remember correctly todays hemi engine took quite a few design features from the LS1 motor. An article I read said that they are very similar.

Stew · 03-01-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Factory freaks are a myth. SAE cerification these days puts and end to that.

A 12.6 with 426 hp and 3800lbs is no freak compared another car running a 12.5 with 400 lbs extra, no power advantage and an automatic transmission!!

And that 12.6 has been repeated 3 times now by the camaro if you havent noticed. One was 800ft DA.

This is something I would have to see in person and see the stock tune confirmed etc etc. to ever believe.

That is what 3 12.6s (one -1000 ft da, one with minor mods, and 1 true above sea level run, it is hardly normal). ANd yes, fatory freaks still exist, when something, whatever causes some kind of variance and one just runs better than the rest. There are example of it all the time.

Stew · 03-01-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

I KNOW....they think that HEMI on the motor means that they can take everything on the road. Like I said....pixie dust.

Im not sure if most owners even realize they are not a true hemi design anymore.

I may get some heat for this, but if I remember correctly todays hemi engine took quite a few design features from the LS1 motor. An article I read said that they are very similar.

Yes, at best the Hemi is more like a Semi Hemi and VERY similar to the LS series engines in design.

Stew · 03-01-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Factory freaks are a myth. SAE cerification these days puts and end to that.

A 12.6 with 426 hp and 3800lbs is no freak compared another car running a 12.5 with 400 lbs extra, no power advantage and an automatic transmission!!

And that 12.6 has been repeated 3 times now by the camaro if you havent noticed. One was 800ft DA.

This is something I would have to see in person and see the stock tune confirmed etc etc. to ever believe.

Wait are you talking about the same 2 cars? I still only showing the same 2 on the fastest list....

1. 2quick - 12.61 @ 111.60 mph, (LS3, M6)
2. nhra stocker - 12.62 @ 110.30, (LS3, M6)
3. blufin - 12.80 @ 109.80 mph, (LS3, M6)
4. b20 - 12.81 @ 108.73 mph, (LS3, M6)
5. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08, (LS3, M6)
6. 8ty8ls1 - 12.97 @ 107.61 mph, (L99, A6)
7. 1stGM - 12.98 @ 107. 34 mph, (L99, A6)
8. SSmokey - 13.04 @ 110.80 mph, (LS3, M6)
9. NineBall - 13.07 @ 109.07 mph, (LS3, M6)
10. Kathy63 - 13.07 @ 105.84 mph, (LS3, m6)
11. Will69camaro - 13.09 @ 109.70 mph, (LS3 M6), (DA +276)
12. Malice - 13.10 @ 107.64 mph, ( LS3, M6)
13. 8secpumpgas - 13.11 @ 106.38 mph, (L99, A6)
14. Dentyneice - 13.17 @ 109.77 mph, (LS3, M6)
15. acatlover13 - 13.20 @ 105.99 mph, (L99, A6)
16. Three-D - 13.25 @ 109.84 mph, (LS3, M6)
17. Matt (tunetime) - 13.25 @ 106. 42 mph, (L99, A6)
18. Foglin - 13.28 @ 106.8 mph, (LS3, M6)
19. Scottywheels - 13.28 @ 106.43 mph, (L99, A6)
20. gtwss - 13.29 @ 108.09 mph, (LS3, M6)
21. Amwellls1 - 13.31 @ 107.0 mph, (LS3, M6)
22. Midnight Maro - 13.33 @ 105.52 mph, (L99, A6)
23. DarricSS - 13.37 @ 105.89 mph, (LS3, M6), (DA + 3331)
24. HDDAN - 13.38 @ 105.65 mph, (L99, A6)
25. PwrTrip - 13.41 @ 105.01 mph, (L99, A6)
26. Kaler - 13.44 @ 108.64 mph, (L99, A6)
27. Grand Pa - 13.46 @ 104.92 mph, (L99, A6)
28. Don 0 - 13.50 @ 104.07 mph, (L99, A6)
29. SS/RS - 13.54 @ 107.44 mph (LS3, M6), (DA +1187 ft.)
30. BLT4SPD - 13.58 @ 96.34 mph, (L99, A6)

Stew · 03-01-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 1bad65

Not in my experience. The Mustang sites I visit are all open to the fact the 5th Gen Camaros are faster stock vs stock than 5th Gen Mustangs. It is what it is. It's the hard core Challenger guys that cant admit their cars aren't the fastest things on the road.

I have seen it on sites for ALL 3. It happens, there are also a hell of a lot more CHallenger guys that do know, than that don't, same here, there are a lot of great guys that know, but you have a lot who think Camaro is unbeatable. On the Mustang sites right now, it's all about the new 5.0 and it's invincibility (though it isn't out yet). Again, saying it doesn't happen on your facorite cars site is part of what I said before......

2SS10RS · 03-01-2010, 11:14 AM

last year I put down a 11.12 second 1000 ft time which converts to 13.4 1/4 mi ET time in my 09 Challenger R/T auto. this was w/a diablo tune

fastrt09 · 03-01-2010, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SGOS252382

On average, the Dodge Challenger R/T is a high 13- low 14 sec car.

I was at the track two weeks ago (-200 ft DA) with excellent track conditions. The best a guy could do all day in his Dodge Challenger R/T was
13.8s - 13.9s. That's with absolutely no wheel spin leaving the line.

GM High Tech tested a Dodge Challenger R/T in 72 degree air and it couldn't do any better than 14.17 in the 1/4 mile. That same day the Camaro SS was running 13.09 in the 1/4 mile.

hate to tell ya stock autos run 13.3x at lease mine does

ULTRAZLS1 · 03-01-2010, 12:48 PM

Another guy ran a 12.6 and has the slip but it was a red light, the 12.8 was the only non red light slip he had. Only LEGIT times are allowed on this site.
He is going for the record again next weekend or another cold day, not sure what he said. Dont remember his screen name and I dont feel like searching for him. If you look at the posts on the fast list sticky he was posting on one of the last pages.

So you dont really believe that 3 12.6 times with a car thats out less than a year is a little less freakish than one that just happened with a car that has been out since 2004? cmon now....if it were the other way around it would be considered the norm in mopar town.

Also when looking at the challenger talk forums a drop in air filter is allowed for stock class. So you can consider nhra stocker stock in some opinions. The royal purple argument is a joke because the car comes with synthetic from the factory.

Its funny how power to weight doesnt apply to the mopar fans. Going back to what we said before.

No factory freaks anymore. Production tolerances and sae certification did away with this. Only differences in dynos, track conditions and drivers.

Ill believe a 12.5 from a stock 4200lb automatic with 425hp when my shit turns purple and tastes like rainbow sherbert.

Found him...name is blufin....do a search. Hes got his time slip posted of the 12.6 but it was a red light. 3 in less than a year....SOLID

ViperTomcat · 03-01-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fastrt09

hate to tell ya stock autos run 13.3x at lease mine does

Thats what we've been saying..but for some reason or another..cant imagine why, its impossible for some people to accept that the L99 SS and the R/T's are fairly close...

ULTRAZLS1 · 03-01-2010, 12:58 PM

Once again the rules dont apply? is 13.3 the norm for this car? I dont think so.

Can the rules apply to both sides for once? well than ok....moderncamaro stock l99 record is 12.8 and i think 12.9 on here. Not even close...blows the door off of an RT and it should looking at power to weight if you want to get technical.

BEARS-SS · 03-01-2010, 01:19 PM

I test-drove both as well. I was driving a Dodge Magnum at the time and was very disappointed in the SRT8 Challenger, because it was almost exactly like the '05 Magnum SXT. I know there's a lot more to the Challenger, but the styling of the Camaro and the torque was on a different level...hence the 2SS I drive!

AZ MSCL · 03-01-2010, 01:24 PM

I modified my RT - added Corsa exhaust, a tune and a CAI. It will do 4.5 secs 0-60, maybe more with a good launch. The Challenger has a roomier interior and is more comfortable to me (6'3", 235 lbs). Sitting in the Camaro is much like sitting in a Mustang to me (not a bad thing but a little cramped). If you want a fast car that is stock, the 2011 Mustang with the 5 liter 412 HP engine will beat the Camaro or the SRT Challenger as it is much lighter. The GT 500 will drive circles around all.

I would continue to search until you find the car that speaks to you - doesn't matter which one. I will eventually add the Camaro to my garage because it is a Camaro, not because of what it might do racing someone. Remember: any of these cars can be modified up to 800-1000 hp. Get what YOU like, not what somebody TELLS you to get.

ULTRAZLS1 · 03-01-2010, 01:37 PM

2011 GT hasn't been tested yet. 250 lb difference and 14 less horsepower 30 less torque. Doesn't sound like a easy win to me. Well unless its got the pixie dust mod like the 6.1 and 5.7 hemis....which im sure it will.

Dont get me wrong I respect and love all american muscle/sports cars. Im just not going to accept times/claims I happen to disagree with.

03-01-2010, 12:48 PM	#51
ULTRAZLS1 Drives: 14 Silverado LTZ Z71, 16 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Jackson, Michigan Posts: 4,423	Another guy ran a 12.6 and has the slip but it was a red light, the 12.8 was the only non red light slip he had. Only LEGIT times are allowed on this site. He is going for the record again next weekend or another cold day, not sure what he said. Dont remember his screen name and I dont feel like searching for him. If you look at the posts on the fast list sticky he was posting on one of the last pages. So you dont really believe that 3 12.6 times with a car thats out less than a year is a little less freakish than one that just happened with a car that has been out since 2004? cmon now....if it were the other way around it would be considered the norm in mopar town. Also when looking at the challenger talk forums a drop in air filter is allowed for stock class. So you can consider nhra stocker stock in some opinions. The royal purple argument is a joke because the car comes with synthetic from the factory. Its funny how power to weight doesnt apply to the mopar fans. Going back to what we said before. No factory freaks anymore. Production tolerances and sae certification did away with this. Only differences in dynos, track conditions and drivers. Ill believe a 12.5 from a stock 4200lb automatic with 425hp when my shit turns purple and tastes like rainbow sherbert. Found him...name is blufin....do a search. Hes got his time slip posted of the 12.6 but it was a red light. 3 in less than a year....SOLID Last edited by ULTRAZLS1; 03-01-2010 at 01:49 PM.

03-01-2010, 01:19 PM	#54
BEARS-SS Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Yorktown, Virginia Posts: 454 View My Garage	I test-drove both as well. I was driving a Dodge Magnum at the time and was very disappointed in the SRT8 Challenger, because it was almost exactly like the '05 Magnum SXT. I know there's a lot more to the Challenger, but the styling of the Camaro and the torque was on a different level...hence the 2SS I drive! __________________

03-01-2010, 01:24 PM	#55
AZ MSCL Drives: 2009 Challenger RT, 2010 Mustang GT Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 719	I modified my RT - added Corsa exhaust, a tune and a CAI. It will do 4.5 secs 0-60, maybe more with a good launch. The Challenger has a roomier interior and is more comfortable to me (6'3", 235 lbs). Sitting in the Camaro is much like sitting in a Mustang to me (not a bad thing but a little cramped). If you want a fast car that is stock, the 2011 Mustang with the 5 liter 412 HP engine will beat the Camaro or the SRT Challenger as it is much lighter. The GT 500 will drive circles around all. I would continue to search until you find the car that speaks to you - doesn't matter which one. I will eventually add the Camaro to my garage because it is a Camaro, not because of what it might do racing someone. Remember: any of these cars can be modified up to 800-1000 hp. Get what YOU like, not what somebody TELLS you to get. __________________ AZ MSCL: 2009 Challenger RT, 2010 Mustang GT Premium.

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2SS10RS Drives: over the speed limit Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: south o' the mason dixon line Posts: 504 View My Garage	last year I put down a 11.12 second 1000 ft time which converts to 13.4 1/4 mi ET time in my 09 Challenger R/T auto. this was w/a diablo tune

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ULTRAZLS1 Drives: 14 Silverado LTZ Z71, 16 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Jackson, Michigan Posts: 4,423	Once again the rules dont apply? is 13.3 the norm for this car? I dont think so. Can the rules apply to both sides for once? well than ok....moderncamaro stock l99 record is 12.8 and i think 12.9 on here. Not even close...blows the door off of an RT and it should looking at power to weight if you want to get technical.

03-01-2010, 01:37 PM	#56
ULTRAZLS1 Drives: 14 Silverado LTZ Z71, 16 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Jackson, Michigan Posts: 4,423	2011 GT hasn't been tested yet. 250 lb difference and 14 less horsepower 30 less torque. Doesn't sound like a easy win to me. Well unless its got the pixie dust mod like the 6.1 and 5.7 hemis....which im sure it will. Dont get me wrong I respect and love all american muscle/sports cars. Im just not going to accept times/claims I happen to disagree with.