Camaro 2SSRS VS Challenger RT (time sensitive)

[AZ MSCL]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

When you drive the camaro you'll never look back to the Chally.

Wife and I drove both...

[Stew]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

If anyone is blinded it is you. I am trying to keep it fair and compare numbers to numbers. You are the one stuck in pixie dust land trying to make all these claims about under rated dodges and chevys that are not under rated (or they used to be and are not now....I dont get your point)etc etc. Get a hold of yourself. And yeah some ls3 cars have dynoed 390 to the wheels stock. It is simple. Dyno differences. I dont go around thinking they make more than 426 hp. I know better.

If you knew anything about current SAE ratings you would know that since 2005 all motors are SAE certified to make exactly what they make. And yes the ls1 cars were under rated. but that was before 2005 now wasnt it. Same with the 03 cobras and everything else before 2005.

Go do your homework before you start trying to lecture me.

I never said the car couldnt be beat. I am betting it will be (mustang) slightly quicker than the camaro in 2011. I said it wouldnt be an easy win. Way to take my post out of context. because I try to use some common sense and compare power to weight among other things now I am a fool.

And now I am a biased fanboy because I dont believe a 300c ran a 12.5....give me a break.

Yes, and considering the 300C and Magnum SRT8 appeared in 2004.............. The point is, it is more than just the dyno showing these things, heck, even the VIpers are putting out more than 600 HP these days (one of the mags tested it and the ZR1 on the sameday on the dyno and the RWHP is almost identicle, guess you are saying the ZR1 is overrated (don't think so). The fact is, cars still make it out of the showroom floor underrated, there are still factory freasks (and always will be), and there is always going to be some variation from car to car in any given model.

Oh and I am not saying every SRT8 can do that, or every 5th gen is going to be able to run 12.6, or every 4th gen able to run 12.9, or every terminator able to run 12.3.

[76z28]

Originally Posted by Stew

Wish they still had the vids up, also when that happened there was a group of GTO owners there and the 300C SRT8 was indeed bone stock. Now, the 05s if I am not mistaken, may be a bit lighter than newer models, also the RWHP a lot of the SRTs put down on the dyno leads to more like 450 stock, at least on earlier models. It may be hard to believe it did happen and fortunatly in front of a few GM hardcores......

get the videos and ill believe you
they wont do it

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 76z28

get the videos and ill believe you
they wont do it

Unfortunatly the vids have been down for a while (posted years ago), but I can link you to the post on the GTO boards where they saw it with their own eyes........

Here is that link: http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthr...ight=300c+srt8

[scythezo6]

You guys realize this thread has been derailed and none of these post will actually help the OP decide on what car to buy. He's going to use it as a DD, not run quarter miles all day... Give some opinions that really matter. And even then, by now its too late as the OP is probably already signing papers.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by scythezo6

You guys realize this thread has been derailed and none of these post will actually help the OP decide on what car to buy. He's going to use it as a DD, not run quarter miles all day... Give some opinions that really matter. And even then, by now its too late as the OP is probably already signing papers.

Good point, I'm done

[mjf6866]

oh boy here we go again...the challenger threads are the most heated i think even more so than the mustang threads, which is the natural enemie of the camaro! what amazes me most is both camaro and mustang guys are so quick to gang up on the challenger any time the opportunity arises. why?

anyways, i'm going to cut straight to the point. i am not a challenger owner that thinks my car is the fastest thing in the world and understand that i am at a major disadvantage with the extra weight of my R/T and i'm sure many wont believe me and will cry "fanboy" but these are facts that have happend in REAL LIFE and not bench racing:

-the auto challengers are consistantly quicker in the 1/4 mile than the 6-speed R/T's.
-stock auto R/T's are hitting low 13's, most are mid 13 sec cars with people that can drive( i can post links to a thread on the hated challengertalk board that has peoples slips posted, but anytime that page is mentioned, its automatically thrown out the window because of a few hardcore guys that think the challenger is the be all end all of automobiles)
-the R/T is dynoing at 330-335hp at the wheels which shows that its actually around 395-400hp at the crank, hence being able to propell the 2 ton "boat" to mid-low 13's and making it a MUCH closer race between the L99 and the R/T than a lot of guys want to believe. thats where these "magical" numbers are coming from for you bench racers out there. make sure you factor in that extra hp when entering it into drag calculators.
-i have been able to beat my buddy's 07 WRX STI stock for stock 3 out of 4 times we went, and those are mid-low 13 second cars
-driver means EVERYTHING

i see how off topic i am to the OP, but wanted to step in and correct so much of the bias/uninformed/wrong/bench racing information on this thread. opinions on styling are a different thing and is pointless to comment on because beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by 2SSARME

When you drive the camaro you'll never look back to the Chally.

When you drive the Camaro, you'll have to look back to see the Chally.

[2SuperSport]

Originally Posted by AZ MSCL
The GT 500 will drive circles around all.

OHH NOO
GT500 owners will hijack this thread shortly and somehow try to proove the a circle around "all" somehow does indeed = a tenth

[Wvallediego]

Originally Posted by seabbott

February 28, 2010 (sorry for the length)

I have been wanting to purchase a new Camaro for quite some time. In fact, I finally told myself that I would wait it out for a Vert. Apparently I got bored yesterday and decided to go "window shopping" to compare the nice looking Challenger and Camaro. I told myself it's just for giggles.

So.... I went to one of the local Dodge dealerships just to test drive a Challenger RT 6MT before I went to the Chevy dealer two doors down to do the same with a Camaro 6MT. I wanted something similar to compare to the Camaro since the only RWD car I have driven was a 10 minute G8 GXP test drive.

When I took the RT 6MT out on I-465, all kinds of people were pointing, staring, and waving. The car was a hoot to drive, but it did feel a little soft. (I know there is an alternate suspension kit available for $400 and I am pretty sure I would want it). Also, I didn't feel like the RT had enough "oomph". The G8GXP 6MT I tested last year moved! I have to assume that the Camaro will do the same. The interior of the RT is MUCH larger than the Camaro. I have sat in the Camaro and was surprised at the size difference.

The Dodge dealer then made all kinds of efforts to keep me in the building. Asking what would it take to get me in the car tonight. I felt like I was in a bad movie. Eventually I made a ridiculous offer (thinking they would laugh me out of the building) and they said "ok". I ended up staying 45 minutes after the closing bell talking it out with the dealer and my wife on the phone. Ultimately, I walked because I felt like I was rushing into it, but the dealer is leaving the deal on the table until Monday night.

Monday after work I will go to the Chevy dealer, see if they can come close to the deal I made on the Challenger on a Camaro. I really only want the Aqua Blue (there are a few left in the mid-west) and would consider IBM. I know what the mag's say about the Challenger Vs Camaro Vs Mustang. What I would like to know is if other "real world people" have driven these cars back to back and what those opinions might offer?

Thanks for listening.

So today is Monday. What did you get?

[mjf6866]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Anythings possible. But saying a Challenger R/T is a low 13 sec car is like saying the Camaro SS is a mid 12 sec car. Yes, it can happen, but its not likely be the average Joe.
The Challenger R/T has been tested by pretty much every Magazine out there and it times are consistantly in the very high 13s - low 14s.

The challenger R/T got beat by the Mustang GT and the Pontiac G8 GT in head to head testing.
Challenger R/T (14.1 @ 102 mph) - Motortrend
Challenger R/T (14.1 @ 101 mph) - Road and Track

Camaro SS (13.0 @ 110 mph) - Motortrend
Camaro SS (12.9 @ 110 mph) - Road and Track.

No matter how you look at it, the Challenger R/T is a high 13-low 14 sec car.

not to single you out SGOS252382, but too many people take the mags as gospel. real world number is what the OP is looking for:

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...ck-times-6689/
http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...le-list-31923/

for those that see "challengertalk" and will automatically bring up the "kills" thread, these are official 1/4 times with slips posted. only problem is you gotta weed out the R/T times cause there are SRT times mixed in there.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by AZ MSCL

I modified my RT - added Corsa exhaust, a tune and a CAI. It will do 4.5 secs 0-60, maybe more with a good launch. The Challenger has a roomier interior and is more comfortable to me (6'3", 235 lbs). Sitting in the Camaro is much like sitting in a Mustang to me (not a bad thing but a little cramped). If you want a fast car that is stock, the 2011 Mustang with the 5 liter 412 HP engine will beat the Camaro or the SRT Challenger as it is much lighter. The GT 500 will drive circles around all.

You are right about the Challenger, it will be the most comfortable for a daily driver, or if you drive on long road trips. It may be slightly slower on a track than the others, but exceeds the pony cars in comfort by a large degree. It is basically a muscle car built on a Mercedes E-Class chassis. Downside is the mod aftermarket is not as mature as Ford or GM.

[ULTRAZLS1]

330 at the wheels is roughly 37x at the crank. The car is not under rated, if going by 12% drivetrain loss.

I guess you could use 15% drivetrain loss and take the cream of the crop dyno of your choice to sway the numbers in favor of the RT. But in reality this is just wishful thinking. LS3 cars have dynoed anywhere from the 350's up into the 390's. Do I think they are under rated....nope.

Any major differences one way or another is just a variance in the dyno or the weather on the given day. With the SAE certifiaction process and build tolerances used today one car shouldnt vary from another more than about 5-10hp.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by mjf6866

not to single you out SGOS252382, but too many people take the mags as gospel. real world number is what the OP is looking for:

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...ck-times-6689/
http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...le-list-31923/

for those that see "challengertalk" and will automatically bring up the "kills" thread, these are official 1/4 times with slips posted. only problem is you gotta weed out the R/T times cause there are SRT times mixed in there.

I would gladly race any Challenger R/T stock for stock with my wife's 2010 Mustang GT and win every time. Line up against my SS and it will be even worse.

Post what the corrected altitude was for those low 13 sec. runs along with tailwind.

Back OT...I looked at the Challengers when I was ready to get a new ride and move on from the Caliber SRT4. The Camaro was hands down the winner in performance and the ride is very good. This is a $30K plus decision you don't want to mess up. There is a reason the Camaro is the #1 pony car in sales. Almost 4:1 when compared to the Challenger.