Seking some advice....

[camaroluver]

So I don't have to repost the whole story here is the link to the problem with the car.....http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70133

Last time I spoke to my service manager at the dealership was around 4:30 yesterday. They still have no clue what is causing the ticking/knocking noise in the car. They have been going back and forth talking with GM to find the problem. Apparently I'm the first one with this problem, and I'm not meaning in the Camaro but with this engine....GEE just my luck! They have mentioned replacing the engine altogether, this is where I'm looking for advice. Would this hurt the value of the car any, or possibly cause any other problems with the car down the road?? Would I be being to unrational if I demanded they just give me a new car?? It isn't at the point for a lemon law yet this is the first time we have had to take it in for this problem and I honestly do not want to go through that process again (had a 1999 Ford Contour that we lemon lawed within 9 months of buying). They have been great through this whole week keeping me updated at least once a day and gave me a rental without even having to ask for one, wish it was another Camaro but no luck there got a new crew cab silverado...still better than I was expecting for a rental. I just LOVE my car and want it back like it was!!

[Scrappy Doo]

If they put a new engine in it, it may hurt the value 40 years down the road.

If the car isn't paid for, see if they will make a payment for you, since you don't ahve the car.


I would just get the new engine and drive her that way.

[StrangeMan]

Are you using 92+ octane?

[DarrenJ]

Originally Posted by camaroluver

So I don't have to repost the whole story here is the link to the problem with the car.....http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70133

Last time I spoke to my service manager at the dealership was around 4:30 yesterday. They still have no clue what is causing the ticking/knocking noise in the car. They have been going back and forth talking with GM to find the problem. Apparently I'm the first one with this problem, and I'm not meaning in the Camaro but with this engine....GEE just my luck! They have mentioned replacing the engine altogether, this is where I'm looking for advice. Would this hurt the value of the car any, or possibly cause any other problems with the car down the road?? Would I be being to unrational if I demanded they just give me a new car?? It isn't at the point for a lemon law yet this is the first time we have had to take it in for this problem and I honestly do not want to go through that process again (had a 1999 Ford Contour that we lemon lawed within 9 months of buying). They have been great through this whole week keeping me updated at least once a day and gave me a rental without even having to ask for one, wish it was another Camaro but no luck there got a new crew cab silverado...still better than I was expecting for a rental. I just LOVE my car and want it back like it was!!

Value should not be hurt down the road if it was a factory warranty motor, the entire motor is replaced, and you have documentation of such. May cause some red flags on a carfax report, but again, you have the docs of what occured.

[TiE2000]

If it were me... I would not trust that car as far as I could through it... I would demand a new car. If the entire engine needs to be replaced this quickly and with this low amount of miles... I would hate to see what else will go wrong further down the line... maybe even after your warrantee is up.

[Ghost of Vincent Price]

Take it to another dealer to get a second opinion. They should log it to see if the knock sensors are picking anything up at least.

[Ghost of Vincent Price]

Originally Posted by TiE2000

If it were me... I would not trust that car as far as I could through it... I would demand a new car. If the entire engine needs to be replaced this quickly and with this low amount of miles... I would hate to see what else will go wrong further down the line... maybe even after your warrantee is up.

Its not like cancer. The engine is built seperate from the car. Its not going to spread.

[Sir Nuke]

camaroluver, from what you have described in your posts, your dealer is doing all he knows to do, PLUS SOME, which is a lot more that a lot of dealers would, seems you have a good dealer. Seems to me they are doing the right thing, let nature take its course adn see where it goes. if need be, since the dealer has gotten GM involved to help solve your problem, they give you an intire new engine......let them do it, it souldn't cause you any problems down the road.

[camaroluver]

Originally Posted by Scrappy Doo

If they put a new engine in it, it may hurt the value 40 years down the road.

If the car isn't paid for, see if they will make a payment for you, since you don't ahve the car.


I would just get the new engine and drive her that way.

Would that be something I ask the dealer or GM?? I do unfortunately owe money on it.

Originally Posted by StrangeMan

Are you using 92+ octane?

Yes ALWAYS! I believe it is 93 octane where I normally get gas. This problem just started and it has 9,000 miles so I'm sure it isn't a issue with using lower octane gas.

Originally Posted by DarrenJ

Value should not be hurt down the road if it was a factory warranty motor, the entire motor is replaced, and you have documentation of such. May cause some red flags on a carfax report, but again, you have the docs of what occured.

That is what I was wondering, I have no intentions on selling it ever if possible so it shouldn't really matter I guess. And as for documents I keep every maintenance paper and any other paperwork that I receive.

Thanks for the input guys, makes me feel a little better! Still playing the waiting game, right now it is up to GM to make a decision to either keep looking for the problem or go another route.

[camaroluver]

Originally Posted by Ghost of Vincent Price

Take it to another dealer to get a second opinion. They should log it to see if the knock sensors are picking anything up at least.

I would but that means having to have it towed because I'm not driving it with it making that noise....my luck it would screw something else up. I really don't want to rack up a tow bill having it taken back and forth. If I feel they aren't trying their best then maybe I will but as for now they are trying everything GM is telling them so I don't think it will be much different anywhere else.

Originally Posted by Sir Nuke

camaroluver, from what you have described in your posts, your dealer is doing all he knows to do, PLUS SOME, which is a lot more that a lot of dealers would, seems you have a good dealer. Seems to me they are doing the right thing, let nature take its course adn see where it goes. if need be, since the dealer has gotten GM involved to help solve your problem, they give you an intire new engine......let them do it, it souldn't cause you any problems down the road.

I agree they have been a GREAT dealer from the beginning other than an issue we had with a damaged rim/tire from transit.....but they did make good on that it just took a little threatening to never do business there again.

[IROCanSS]

for what its worth... I watch a 69 ZL1 blue Camaro go through Barrett Jackson. It was a 1 of 4 car or something rediculas. Behind it was a little trailer with an engine on it. The car had the engine replaced under warranty in 1970. The other engine was the original engine that was put in the car. The owner took the old broken one too. The car did over $800,000 at the auction with the new engine in place.

Now, do I think any of our cars are going to be like that... no, but the moral of the story is, take the engine, it wont matter 40 years down the road. As far as keeping the old one, not gonna happen.

[camaroluver]

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

for what its worth... I watch a 69 ZL1 blue Camaro go through Barrett Jackson. It was a 1 of 4 car or something rediculas. Behind it was a little trailer with an engine on it. The car had the engine replaced under warranty in 1970. The other engine was the original engine that was put in the car. The owner took the old broken one too. The car did over $800,000 at the auction with the new engine in place.

Now, do I think any of our cars are going to be like that... no, but the moral of the story is, take the engine, it wont matter 40 years down the road. As far as keeping the old one, not gonna happen.

Wow! That is a lot of money! Of course I highly doubt even 100% original with very few miles would our cars bring that kind of money in but ya never know. LOL dang I wanted to keep the old one!!

Originally Posted by coolman

look, get the new motor. Don't take any chances with the bullet that is in there now. Only question I would have for them is what do they call a new motor. If they don't know where the sound is coming from a new motor might not fix it. If the sound speeds up and slows down with RPMs like you said in the other thread then I would say it's a pretty safe bet it's in the motor. It's absurd to thing that changing the motor will in any way affect the value of the car because it won't. They have to start somewhere , and if gm going to give you a new motor, then let them do it. Just make sure you get a print out of every single time you had it there for this problem. I didn't see where you were from ,but in Pa it's three strikes and your out as far as lemon law goes. Good luck and don't worry. If your dealership has good techs changing a motor isn't nearly as bad as it sounds.

It is for sure coming from the engine, they are lost at where and what in the engine exactly. This is the first time in for this problem and fingers crossed whatever the outcome is the last time. I'm in Florida and our LL is 3x for the same issue or 15 or more days in the shop for repairs for any issue. Once it comes to that you have to send a certified letter to the auto company giving them one last attempt at repair before going in front of the arbitration group. Been there done that and it is a lengthy nightmare! However I'm not to the point of needing that yet like I said this is the first attempt to repair and hasn't even been in for a week yet. Got my fingers crossed that I get it properly repaired and back home soon!

[ron10]

i agree.let them replace the engine,and enjoy your free rental until they get yours done.

[Ghost of Vincent Price]

Originally Posted by camaroluver

I would but that means having to have it towed because I'm not driving it with it making that noise....my luck it would screw something else up.

Why not? I would drive it. If the motor cooks itself then gm pays to have it towed and repaired and gives you a loaner car anyways. And if it breaks something else...thats just more dime out of GM's wallet that could of been avoided. Lesson learned for them.