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headpunter · 10-16-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

I'm honestly surprised no one has built up a 6L80e yet, then again the A6 'vette has only been out for something around a year.

they do have one, its called the 6l90e....

Wm Holden · 10-16-2008, 01:44 PM

A "tuned" auto car...will rape the manual car tuned.....JMO

headpunter · 10-16-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Wm Holden

A "tuned" auto car...will rape the manual car tuned.....JMO

mostly because it takes the human element out of it....less chance for human error.

Hylton · 10-16-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Wm Holden

A "tuned" auto car...will rape the manual car tuned.....JMO

I will personally proove you wrong at the next Indy meet!

Wm Holden · 10-16-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by headpunter

mostly because it takes the human element out of it....less chance for human error.

I don't know about mostly...but a computer is much more in CONTROL.

during shifts it can back off the timing a bit (if needed) to keep the wheels planted...."no lift shifting" is an element of that. the better part of the auto system being moved into the stick system.

s.norman · 10-16-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wm Holden

stock GTO's are 13.9s on a great day...NOT altitude adjusted....
I'm just saying that these numbers are harder to get out of the car then you think...
and everyone seems to fudge a little in their guesstimations and next thing you know.
Stock car is doing 12s....not.

I'll throw this out....NO stock camAro...at 422 flywheel horse power will run 12s. none.

It just dosen't add up.

why does the vette run 12s w/ only 8hp more?

s.norman · 10-16-2008, 05:22 PM

on 1 of these videos of the ss stock it did a 12.2 1/4

Mblock66 · 10-16-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by s.norman

why does the vette run 12s w/ only 8hp more?

Mostly weight its 500 lbs lighter

Wm Holden · 10-16-2008, 05:57 PM

All I can say to you all...is you will see when you drive it.

karr1008 · 10-17-2008, 12:22 AM

^ I second that.
Until then, fasten your seat belts and hope that the "numbers" we want can be proven.

I will be happy to have an engine that has the potential for "improvements" and add more HP/TQ later. Starting with 430 HP stock for the 30K price is just a plus.

havocnmayhem2005 · 10-17-2008, 07:56 PM

For anyone in doubt, take a look at the ACTUAL 0-60 and 1/4 mile times of the Pontiac G8 GT. It has ~50 less hp and there have been people getting them down to 13.3 or maybe lower now stock. The GXP will be in the 12's for sure, and it still has around 20-25 less hp than the Camaro will have. Oh, and they weigh around the same. So people not understanding how, or it not adding up, look at the G8. The Camaro will be mid-high 12's easy....good drivers with freakish cars will be low-mid 12's. Done.

Captain Awesome · 10-18-2008, 10:21 AM

I was reading the latest Automobile magazine (great writeup on the V6 Camaro in there by the way) and there was an article on the CTS-V and the auto version was faster to 60 and faster in the 1/4 mile.

So, now I start to wonder what the story is with the Camaro. It's got similar hardware.

MrKrisSullivan · 10-21-2008, 12:49 AM

Im with Holden WM... all the way... he's got an LS2 GOAT... it's pretty much the car were looking at just the Camaro has "evovled" a little more... Those GOATS were even advertised faster in the auto form... but we'll see soon enough...
I just want to know what someone thinks are the realistic times 0-60? I highly doubt any 4.3's or 4.4's but I could see 4.5's and 4.6's all day long...

toehead93 · 02-03-2009, 05:18 PM

First of all we'll never know which is quicker until the cars are tested side by side by professional drivers. Secondly, most people can't launch either a stick or auto well enough to make a 1/10 of a second advantage matter. I'm by no means a great driver bu I do race a lot at the track and I still have bad launches from time to time.

But for arguments sake, a torque converter will overcome any advantage the M6 will have (if any), of coarse it won't be stock then.

10-16-2008, 01:44 PM	#142
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10-16-2008, 05:57 PM	#149
Wm Holden Yes, that's my real name. Drives: 2005 LS2 600hp GTO Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ventura, ca. Posts: 770	All I can say to you all...is you will see when you drive it. __________________ Magnuson 112HH supercharger at 7.5 psi (Virtual 9.0 liter) 600hp 1 of 2 torrid/red int /A4/05 555r 275/40/R17's Nitto Extreme Drags 1.7 60 ft Car runs high 11's No other mods. I got the first 112HH Magnuson blower ported for a GTO. Now it appears it was also one of the last.... http://www.ribbonprinting.com http://www.personalizedawarenessribbons.com

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10-17-2008, 07:56 PM	#151
havocnmayhem2005 Drives: 1999 Z28, 2007 Saurn Aura Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: texas Posts: 51	For anyone in doubt, take a look at the ACTUAL 0-60 and 1/4 mile times of the Pontiac G8 GT. It has ~50 less hp and there have been people getting them down to 13.3 or maybe lower now stock. The GXP will be in the 12's for sure, and it still has around 20-25 less hp than the Camaro will have. Oh, and they weigh around the same. So people not understanding how, or it not adding up, look at the G8. The Camaro will be mid-high 12's easy....good drivers with freakish cars will be low-mid 12's. Done.

10-18-2008, 10:21 AM	#152
Captain Awesome Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New York Posts: 3,746	I was reading the latest Automobile magazine (great writeup on the V6 Camaro in there by the way) and there was an article on the CTS-V and the auto version was faster to 60 and faster in the 1/4 mile. So, now I start to wonder what the story is with the Camaro. It's got similar hardware.

10-21-2008, 12:49 AM	#153
MrKrisSullivan New 2 The "DARK-SIDE" Drives: 2003 Ram HEMI 4x4 Slt 20in Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: St. Augustine Florida Posts: 89	Im with Holden WM... all the way... he's got an LS2 GOAT... it's pretty much the car were looking at just the Camaro has "evovled" a little more... Those GOATS were even advertised faster in the auto form... but we'll see soon enough... I just want to know what someone thinks are the realistic times 0-60? I highly doubt any 4.3's or 4.4's but I could see 4.5's and 4.6's all day long...

02-03-2009, 05:18 PM	#154
toehead93 Drives: 2014 2SS/1LE Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: wpb fl Posts: 3,135 View My Garage	First of all we'll never know which is quicker until the cars are tested side by side by professional drivers. Secondly, most people can't launch either a stick or auto well enough to make a 1/10 of a second advantage matter. I'm by no means a great driver bu I do race a lot at the track and I still have bad launches from time to time. But for arguments sake, a torque converter will overcome any advantage the M6 will have (if any), of coarse it won't be stock then.