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kdbolt70 · 03-25-2010, 08:42 PM

4th gear. 1:31 ratio if I remember correctly. Dynojet.

HP will be SKEWED.

Mr CLuTcH · 03-25-2010, 08:54 PM

Let's see, it's lighter than our Camaros, and it seems to be putting down more at the rear wheels than most SS automatics,....yup we're done. It's time to mod now. 395 rearwheel horsepower is ridiculous, not much of a drivetrain loss, our SS' don't put down that much to the rear-wheels stock, so hey lighter car, more hp to the rear wheels,....= 5.0 Mustang>Stock Camaro?

The SS manual owner who should be putting down some where between 360 and 370rwhp should stand a good chance against it, but the autos might not at all.

zero · 03-25-2010, 09:27 PM

I don`t think GM will give a shit unless it is totally blown away, even then they gotta drop weight more than add hp alone. Most of the general buying public still look at sae hp numbers and when they see it`s more they still feel like they are on top. Not everyone tracks their car or races on the streets so majority of people couldn`t care if the 11 stang puts down more rear wheel hp than a GT500. I didn`t buy my SS on power alone, it was the look, feel the whole package. If all I wanted was raw power I would have ordered a new GT500. nuff said

ViperTomcat · 03-25-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kdbolt70

4th gear. 1:31 ratio if I remember correctly. Dynojet.

HP will be SKEWED.

Yep. probably closer to 360 RWHP. Maybe 350 on the lower end.

a_Username · 03-25-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fazm

not saying its accurate, but the 03/04 cobras were underrated by that, if not more. rated at 390, and some put down 390 lol. mine stock put down 382

Like many have said, underrating your engine in a market segment that looks at HP numbers... is kind of stupid in this current market.

305pride · 03-25-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Z/28orSs

they didnt suck by mustang guidelines,

but by camaro standards. nice #'s tho

lol i guess so :-P

5thGenOwner · 03-25-2010, 10:24 PM

Wow... I read every response! PHEW! Some really good facts and statements brought out. And well, I honestly don't have a place in this arguement, but I got $0.02.

First off, those who say "oh noes... they under-rated the 5.0", well I do seriously doubt that they would under-rate an engine, as posters mentioned it would cost them sales in the end. (...and they are currently losing to Camaro)

But, with that being said... an Edmunds wacked out U-tube video that seems to be floating around the internet like a virus... might HELP sales. (did I mention that Mustangs are losing the muscle car fight... to the Camaro?)

As for the wacked out clip of the 5.0 mustang and the numbers. One video clip ain't gonna prove anything.

By the way, Ford... put as much time into exterior design of the automobile as you do the engine. '05-'09 you had a good thing, '10 you

all over it.

ULTRAZLS1 · 03-25-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr CLuTcH

Let's see, it's lighter than our Camaros, and it seems to be putting down more at the rear wheels than most SS automatics,....yup we're done. It's time to mod now. 395 rearwheel horsepower is ridiculous, not much of a drivetrain loss, our SS' don't put down that much to the rear-wheels stock, so hey lighter car, more hp to the rear wheels,....= 5.0 Mustang>Stock Camaro?

The SS manual owner who should be putting down some where between 360 and 370rwhp should stand a good chance against it, but the autos might not at all.

Nice job reading all the information.

The car is not making 395 at the wheels (it was in the wrong gear, not to mention those guys have done more than one dyno that was off in the past in favor of the mustang). No way in hell this motor is making 450hp at the crank.

The car will make about 350-360 at the wheels like it should. Under rating is a thing of the past. SAE CERTIFICATION. And this motor will be getting one.

Either way its going to be slightly faster than the camaro stock for stock. We have to live with it. They have lived with it since 1993 with the GT. Im sure well be ok.

fazm · 03-25-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Nice job reading all the information.

The car is not making 395 at the wheels (it was in the wrong gear, not to mention those guys have done more than one dyno that was off in the past in favor of the mustang). No way in hell this motor is making 450hp at the crank.

The car will make about 350-360 at the wheels like it should. Under rating is a thing of the past. SAE CERTIFICATION. And this motor will be getting one.

Either way its going to be slightly faster than the camaro stock for stock. We have to live with it. They have lived with it since 1993 with the GT. Im sure well be ok.

link to source saying the new 5.0 will be or is sae certified?

as stated earlier, the new sae certification is voluntary

a_Username · 03-25-2010, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fazm

link to source saying the new 5.0 will be or is sae certified?

as stated earlier, the new sae certification is voluntary

I don't believe Ford is this stupid to have such a marketing disadvantage like this. Why would they underrate their engine, when they could one-up Chevrolet like they did on the V6? It doesn't make sense. Plus, I'm sure Ford is focusing on selling the car, considering its streak of losing to the Camaro in sales for the past 10 or so months.

fazm · 03-25-2010, 11:06 PM

the same 5.0 will be in the boss 302, which they will likely rate at 450hp so its making room for it is my guess. who would spend 10k more for the same hp and some suspension things?

DeathChill · 03-25-2010, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fazm

link to source saying the new 5.0 will be or is sae certified?

as stated earlier, the new sae certification is voluntary

They say that the 2011 Mustang GT is SAE certified here:
http://mustangforums.com/forum/2010-...n-412hp-2.html

EDIT: SAE site backs it up.

a_Username · 03-25-2010, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fazm

the same 5.0 will be in the boss 302, which they will likely rate at 450hp so its making room for it is my guess. who would spend 10k more for the same hp and some suspension things?

So they're going to have the same engine with different ratings? They're going to say one engine is more powerful than another, while in reality they are at the same RWHP? However, you just answered your own question. Very few are going to spend that extra money, and I believe Ford knows this. Which all points to this dyno testing being BS.

fazm · 03-25-2010, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathChill

They say that the 2011 Mustang GT is SAE certified here:
http://mustangforums.com/forum/2010-...n-412hp-2.html

EDIT: SAE site backs it up.

a person posting it hardly makes it official, just as official as the 395rwhp stock.

im not saying it isnt sae certified, id just like to see something official.

remember, i was the first person in this thread to suggest it might have been in the wrong gear which could skew the numbers, so its not like i believe the 395rwhp stock, but i just would like to see official documentation.

even at 395rwhp id be taking a hit and gaining 2 cylinders in the process lol

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03-25-2010, 08:42 PM	#1709
kdbolt70 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Haslett, Mi Posts: 1,287 View My Garage	4th gear. 1:31 ratio if I remember correctly. Dynojet. HP will be SKEWED. __________________ 2SS/RS Victory Red M6 w/ Black Rallys #3305 Muffler Delete, Lloyd "SS" Floormats, K&N Aircharger, Skip Shift Eliminator, Blacked Bowties

03-25-2010, 08:54 PM	#1710
Mr CLuTcH Always On Kill! Drives: S.I.M. SS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 780	Let's see, it's lighter than our Camaros, and it seems to be putting down more at the rear wheels than most SS automatics,....yup we're done. It's time to mod now. 395 rearwheel horsepower is ridiculous, not much of a drivetrain loss, our SS' don't put down that much to the rear-wheels stock, so hey lighter car, more hp to the rear wheels,....= 5.0 Mustang>Stock Camaro? The SS manual owner who should be putting down some where between 360 and 370rwhp should stand a good chance against it, but the autos might not at all. __________________ S.I.M. SS(L99): American Racing Headers (LT) Magnaflow cat-back competition exhaust K&N typhoon CAI Aggressive cam. Tune Result*: 465rwhp/ 447rwtq. Satisfied.

03-25-2010, 10:24 PM	#1715
5thGenOwner Drives: 2010 SS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 2,197	Wow... I read every response! PHEW! Some really good facts and statements brought out. And well, I honestly don't have a place in this arguement, but I got $0.02. First off, those who say "oh noes... they under-rated the 5.0", well I do seriously doubt that they would under-rate an engine, as posters mentioned it would cost them sales in the end. (...and they are currently losing to Camaro) But, with that being said... an Edmunds wacked out U-tube video that seems to be floating around the internet like a virus... might HELP sales. (did I mention that Mustangs are losing the muscle car fight... to the Camaro?) As for the wacked out clip of the 5.0 mustang and the numbers. One video clip ain't gonna prove anything. By the way, Ford... put as much time into exterior design of the automobile as you do the engine. '05-'09 you had a good thing, '10 you all over it. __________________

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zero Drives: Black 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 265	I don`t think GM will give a shit unless it is totally blown away, even then they gotta drop weight more than add hp alone. Most of the general buying public still look at sae hp numbers and when they see it`s more they still feel like they are on top. Not everyone tracks their car or races on the streets so majority of people couldn`t care if the 11 stang puts down more rear wheel hp than a GT500. I didn`t buy my SS on power alone, it was the look, feel the whole package. If all I wanted was raw power I would have ordered a new GT500. nuff said

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fazm Drives: ex-500hp v6 mustang Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: arizona Posts: 605	the same 5.0 will be in the boss 302, which they will likely rate at 450hp so its making room for it is my guess. who would spend 10k more for the same hp and some suspension things?