zaino vs adam's

[garcmol]

I gotta buff this out soon

[garcmol]

Why? Because Americana rocks! Looks wet all the time. I have Z2 Pro also. Use both and they each do what they say they do. Get what you want. (and Americana will take a loooooong time to use that 10 oz jar)

[Tecca]

Originally Posted by 2LTRS

Good lord thats pricey... Just try their 50/50 or petes 53 before going all out on the e-zyme. IMHO there is no "wax" that outshines another. you'll never see a 50/50 hood with two different waxes, because no one can tell the difference. Wax difference would be durability. Shine comes from proper prep of the clear coat, its the clear coat that shines.. My .02, i bet AJ will back me up on this one.

Yeah I agree that the 95% of a great looking car is the prep work, however I also believe that a good wax will also give that extra depth.

Ahh heck I am just spending that much because it smells good

[Viral]

Americana is a Carnauba Wax, correct? And you're claiming it lasts MUCH longer than Z2pro, a synthetic polish. My understand has always been that Carnaubas can produce deep, rich shine but at the sacrifice of durability. The entire point of developing synthetics was to increase the otherwise lousy durability of Carnauba waxes, but retain the same shine.

Why wouldn't that be the case with Adam's version?

Again, from everything I've seen and read over the years, most show car quality applications will start with a synthetic polish for durability, then layer a carnauba wax on top of that to get that deep shine, since just the real deal by itself suffers poor durability. If that is indeed the case, then I'd need to get both the the FMP ($25) AND the Americana ($70) and double the application time just to equal a single coat of Z2Pro ($15)?

[recontango]

Have you guys heard anything about Adams products being repackaged from chemical guys?

Adams "Buttery Wax" $19.95
Chemicalguys "Butter Wet Wax" $16.95

chemicalguys.com

[garcmol]

If your asking if I said Americana lasts longer than Z2 Pro, then no. I meant that 10oz jar lasts a long time. Many many many applications in that jar.

[2LTRS]

Originally Posted by Viral

Americana is a Carnauba Wax, correct? And you're claiming it lasts MUCH longer than Z2pro, a synthetic polish. My understand has always been that Carnaubas can produce deep, rich shine but at the sacrifice of durability. The entire point of developing synthetics was to increase the otherwise lousy durability of Carnauba waxes, but retain the same shine.

Why wouldn't that be the case with Adam's version?

Again, from everything I've seen and read over the years, most show car quality applications will start with a synthetic polish for durability, then layer a carnauba wax on top of that to get that deep shine, since just the real deal by itself suffers poor durability. If that is indeed the case, then I'd need to get both the the FMP ($25) AND the Americana ($70) and double the application time just to equal a single coat of Z2Pro ($15)?

Americana is a carnauba mixed with synthetic polymers. 2 Coats of Americana would give you almost as much protection as a pure sealant. Its been a long time since I touched Zaino products so I'll differ to AJ for comparisons.

Too bad your not in So. Cal I'd let you use mine; and decide for yourself, without having to spend the money.

On a side note - I'm currently planning a video or photo series of wax/sealant comparisons in real world environments. 50/50 different products, and over time product durability. I also intend on doing this for wheel applications, where people claim reduced brake dust with certain products. Mad science for the detailing world.

If anyone wants to donate products for the testing (e-zyme, swissvax, Zaino Z2)[I only need enough for 1 application] let me know.. Currently in the line up, Meguiars NXT2 vs. Turtle wax ICE - Adam's Americana Vs. Wolfgang Fuzion - Chemical Guys 50/50 vs. Americana - Adam's buttery wax vs. Chemical Guys Butter wax. I'm going to do it right, and i'm estimating 6mo to a year to do a true durability comparison, with regular washing inbetween but I have quite a bit of products to test.

[Junkman2008]

Originally Posted by garcmol

If your asking if I said Americana lasts longer than Z2 Pro, then no. I meant that 10oz jar lasts a long time. Many many many applications in that jar.

I say yes it not only last longer, but significantly longer!

If you were to look at 100% pure carnuba, it would be hard as a brick. You couldn't do anything with it. That's why carnuba makes such a great protectant. In order to be able to use it for protecting your paint, you must introduce chemicals into it so that you can spread it on a surface. The more you thin the carnuba content, the cheaper it will cost you to manufacture a product because you can spread the carnuba over more bottles of product. If you don't thin the carnuba as much, then the cost of your product will increase drastically because you will need more carnuba within the manufacturing process and carnuba is not cheap!

The more carnuba content that a product contains, the harder the product will be because it is the amount of carnuba that gives a paste wax its consistency. That my friend is why the price differs so drastically. Americana contains way more carnuba than the Buttery Wax and will last significantly longer. More carnuba equals better and longer lasting protection.

Now Viral, I don't expect you to change brands within this lifetime but I also cannot expect a unbiased side by side comparison from you either. You are obviously biased by saying that Zaino is better than Adam's. I say something totally different. I say that side by side, you can't tell the difference between two cars that have been treated with either product. The only difference that I know of for a fact is that the application process is totally different between the two and that Adam's has a 110% money back guarantee. We may not agree about who's shine is better, but do you agree about the application and guarantee?

[garcmol]

I meant the claim. I claimed nothing. was just saying that 10 oz jar lasts a long time. Did you see that wet sanding job. Makes me want to cry

[2LTRS]

Originally Posted by garcmol

I meant the claim. I claimed nothing. was just saying that 10 oz jar lasts a long time. Did you see that wet sanding job. Makes me want to cry

At least some of the dang orange peel will be gone

[Viral]

Originally Posted by Junkman2008

More carnuba equals better and longer lasting protection.

You're a fantastic detailer and a heck of an Adam's salesman, but a chemist you are not This statement is completely wrong. In fact, it's 100% backwards. The MORE Carnauba you add to your product, the LESS durability you'll get. What Carnauba brings to the equation is depth of shine. Pick any reputable company out there with any info on Carnauba wax and you'll see this is true. If Adam himself spouted off differently, he'd be wrong too. But I can see on his website that he makes absolutely NO durability claims for Americana Paste Wax. He claims only the highest quality shine, which is an accurate claim for high Carnauba content. It even recommends that you layer it on top of one of their polishes, since that's where the durability comes from. Adams seems to have products that can match the durability of Z2, and other products that can match the depth of shine from Z2, but my problem with them is, they don't seem to have ONE single product that matches both features you get with Z2. Who cares if it's easier to apply Adam's products if you have to apply multiple ones to get the same results! And at quadruple the price!

Now Viral, I don't expect you to change brands within this lifetime but I also cannot expect a unbiased side by side comparison from you either

Why not? I arrived at my opinion the most honest way I know how - by buying and applying BOTH brands to the same car in the same way under the same conditions and then comparing the results, right down to asking my wife her opinion also, who couldn't care LESS what products I use. How is that not an unbiased opinion? I'm not selling or representing either company. YOU are. I'd say that makes MY opinion far less biased than yours.

The only difference that I know of for a fact is that the application process is totally different between the two and that Adam's has a 110% money back guarantee. We may not agree about who's shine is better, but do you agree about the application and guarantee?

We can certainly agree on the guarantee, no question there. As for application process, they aren't all that different. I do agree with you, and have stated before, that Adam's products went on and came off a bit easier than Zaino. But I would claim about a 10-15% time savings on a single coat. However, everything I've read about Adams still leads me to believe that I'd need both a coat of a polish AND a wax to equal the shine and durability of Z2Pro. And despite your claims that Zaino REQUIRES multiple coats to get that shine and durability, my experience (as well as THOUSANDS of others from across the web) tells me otherwise. I'm comparing a SINGLE application of Z2, stripped all the way down by claybar and Z-PC abrasive swirl remover so there was NO wax from the start.

My only loyalty to Zaino is for the same reason so many others are such Zaino Zealots - because they make remarkable products at outstanding prices. That's it! It's really that simple. If anybody, Adams included, makes a product that gives me the same results with less effort, time or money, I'd switch tomorrow!

And I've said before in this thread, I'm even willing to give them another chance, since I may not have used the best products for the job last time. but hopefully you can see my hesitation at paying $70 + $25 just to equal a $15 bottle of Z2 results.

[Tecca]

I'm sorry but after ready that the only thing that came to my mind was this,

[Junkman2008]

Originally Posted by Viral

You're a fantastic detailer and a heck of an Adam's salesman, but a chemist you are not This statement is completely wrong. In fact, it's 100% backwards. The MORE Carnauba you add to your product, the LESS durability you'll get. What Carnauba brings to the equation is depth of shine. Pick any reputable company out there with any info on Carnauba wax and you'll see this is true. If Adam himself spouted off differently, he'd be wrong too. But I can see on his website that he makes absolutely NO durability claims for Americana Paste Wax. He claims only the highest quality shine, which is an accurate claim for high Carnauba content. It even recommends that you layer it on top of one of their polishes, since that's where the durability comes from. Adams seems to have products that can match the durability of Z2, and other products that can match the depth of shine from Z2, but my problem with them is, they don't seem to have ONE single product that matches both features you get with Z2.

Okay, allow me to school you on what carnuba does as a wax product. I hate to get technical in my post but in this case, the facts must be laid. I quote from WiseGeek as I couldn't have said it better.

Carnauba wax is a botanical product used in a large number of industries. Sometimes called the “Queen of Wax,” carnauba wax has a much harder melting point than other waxes, and is also extremely hard. This makes it ideal for creating extremely strong coatings for floors, automobiles, and other things which see hard wear. In addition, carnauba wax appears in candies, polishes, varnishes, cosmetic products, and in many other places. Although carnauba wax has largely been replaced by synthetics, it is still produced and used in many parts of the world.

A Brazilian tree formally named Copernicia prunifera and otherwise known as the fan or carnauba palm is the source for carnauba wax. The palm has broad fan like leaves attached to toothed stalks. In hot, dry weather, the plant secretes wax to protect the leaves from damage. People who want to collect the wax dry the leaves and then beat them to dislodge the yellowish to brown waxy coating, which usually flakes off. The wax is refined and bleached before it is used. Carnauba palms can live in extreme environments because of their protective wax coating, making them an excellent choice of crop for farmers working with poor soil and weather conditions.

A temperature of 172 degrees Fahrenheit (78 degrees Celsius) is required to melt carnauba wax. It is also not readily soluble. Water cannot break down a layer of carnauba wax, and only certain solvents can, usually in combination with heat. This means that carnauba wax is highly durable. Used plain, it can make something waterproof and wear resistant. Combined with things such as tints and dyes, carnauba wax can be used to create an enduring colored polish. Eventually, hard wear will strip carnauba wax from most surfaces, but a fresh layer can be reapplied. In older homes with hardwood floors and fixtures, carnauba wax was probably used as a conditioner at some point.

Originally Posted by Viral

Who cares if it's easier to apply Adam's products if you have to apply multiple ones to get the same results! And at quadruple the price!

Now that the biggest laugher of your entire post. Zaino's entire success is based on layering! sal says so, it says so on Zaino's website and on any Zaino dominated board, everyone will tell you so. I even say it in my Zaino videos!!! You've shot yourself in the foot on that one!

Originally Posted by Viral

Why not? I arrived at my opinion the most honest way I know how - by buying and applying BOTH brands to the same car in the same way under the same conditions and then comparing the results, right down to asking my wife her opinion also, who couldn't care LESS what products I use. How is that not an unbiased opinion? I'm not selling or representing either company. YOU are. I'd say that makes MY opinion far less biased than yours.

My Zaino videos touting the praises of Zaino definitely prove you wrong there.

Originally Posted by Viral

We can certainly agree on the guarantee, no question there. As for application process, they aren't all that different.

Now you're just in denial!

Originally Posted by Viral

I do agree with you, and have stated before, that Adam's products went on and came off a bit easier than Zaino. But I would claim about a 10-15% time savings on a single coat.

Since Zaino has to be layered, going over an entire car 2-3 times with one product is only 10-15% faster than going over a car once with each product? You doing that fuzzy math!

Originally Posted by Viral

However, everything I've read about Adams still leads me to believe that I'd need both a coat of a polish AND a wax to equal the shine and durability of Z2Pro.

Now I don't blame you for being confused here because of the brand of polish that you are using and the terminology that Sal uses. With just about every manufacturer in the car care products business, Wax is a protectant and polish is a correction compound. You don't put polish on a car, you use it to correct the paint or clear coat on a car. That is unless you are talking about the Zaino line of products. They use the terms in a different way.

Originally Posted by Viral

And despite your claims that Zaino REQUIRES multiple coats to get that shine and durability, my experience (as well as THOUSANDS of others from across the web) tells me otherwise. I'm comparing a SINGLE application of Z2, stripped all the way down by claybar and Z-PC abrasive swirl remover so there was NO wax from the start.

Thousands? Show me 10 post that are on the web dated before today from someone experienced with Zaino who says that. Anyone who knows Zaino knows that its success lays in layering.

Originally Posted by Viral

My only loyalty to Zaino is for the same reason so many others are such Zaino Zealots - because they make remarkable products at outstanding prices. That's it! It's really that simple. If anybody, Adams included, makes a product that gives me the same results with less effort, time or money, I'd switch tomorrow!

And I've said before in this thread, I'm even willing to give them another chance, since I may not have used the best products for the job last time. but hopefully you can see my hesitation at paying $70 + $25 just to equal a $15 bottle of Z2 results.

Like I said before, your views are so skewered that no one is seriously going to believe your findings.

I'll just agree to disagree and leave my many videos and threads which show the power of Adam's to speak for themselves. From the many members here who have switched to the members here who just used the products for the first time, their results have been phenomenal. There was no learning curve (which is the biggest complaint from folks who have tried Zaino), and it didn't take a week to get their car in shape (which is the second biggest complaint with folks who have tried and used Zaino). It's a shame that you can't bring your car down to Camaro5 Fest so that we can see with our own eyes if there is any difference in the shine offered by both products. I'll be there...

But hey, it was fun!

Originally Posted by Teccboxx

I'm sorry but after ready that the only thing that came to my mind was this,

[Adam's Polishes]

Can't we all just hug and be friends now?