Tuner will VOID warranty

[Devilish SS]

Ah...I see.
Ok fair enough I suppose.

Thanks

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Mike@Diablosport

OK, say they found some scrathces on the main bearings, first thing they could do is say the CAI allowed dirt to get in, blame that for the failure, and deny any claim. How they would go about 'proving' the CAI caused the problem is beyond me...

How would a CAI let dirt get to the Main berings? It cones in the intake, through the manifold through the intake valve and out the exhoust valve, the dirt would have to get by the piston rings first.. better case for dirt getting through the CAI is either MAP or MAF sensor failure, or even excessive oil consumption from dirt getting into the cylinders and scratching the walls of the cylinder... one way to prove if the CAI was the culprit would be dirt collected on the MAF sensor wires... but then you would most likely get a failure in that sensor before you get engine damage...

[Mike@DS]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

How would a CAI let dirt get to the Main berings? It cones in the intake, through the manifold through the intake valve and out the exhoust valve, the dirt would have to get by the piston rings first.. better case for dirt getting through the CAI is either MAP or MAF sensor failure, or even excessive oil consumption from dirt getting into the cylinders and scratching the walls of the cylinder... one way to prove if the CAI was the culprit would be dirt collected on the MAF sensor wires... but then you would most likely get a failure in that sensor before you get engine damage...

? Was a theoretical statement entirely....

BUT, MAP and MAF all lead to the intake, just like a CAI, not sure how you could say one could cause that problem and not the other?

FWIW, I have seen/heard of crazier things from dealerships....

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Mike@Diablosport

? Was a theoretical statement entirely....

BUT, MAP and MAF all lead to the intake, just like a CAI, not sure how you could say one could cause that problem and not the other?

FWIW, I have seen/heard of crazier things from dealerships....

Just trying to point out your scenario is highly unlikely because something closer to the CAI would most likely be failing sooner... And that could be traced fairly easily to the CAI letting dirt through.

[Screaminz2002]

Originally Posted by Mike@Diablosport

Opening the box and plugging the tool into a vehicle means you have accepted our end user license agreement, which limits us from any liability if there is any problems on the vehicle, as a result of the tune or otherwise; so; this is not a concern to us in any way, shape or form.

This pretty much sums it up. Buy my product! I promise GM will not be able to tell! I will not take responsibility for it but I promise you will have no worries..

[Mike@DS]

Originally Posted by Screaminz2002

This pretty much sums it up. Buy my product! I promise GM will not be able to tell! I will not take responsibility for it but I promise you will have no worries..

again, the proof is out there man.

Check ALL of the major Chevy based forums, and see if ANYONE has ever had a warranty issue because of a Diablo tuner. (It WOULD make it to the forums if it had happened, I promise you). You will not find it. That goes for any E38 application we support in the U7194, from trucks to G8 to camaro to Vettes, all the same box. Never has there been an issue. Its funny to me how nobody can understand the position I am in and what I can and cannot say, but I will just leave it again with, we REALLY, really, know what we are doing.

Best part is, the only place we have seen the CVN check actually used is on the new Duramax trucks, and guess what, our product has NEVER been detectable there either. I have seen a competitors handheld fail the CVN check several times. Take my word for it or don't, its your warranty.

Thanks.

[HaZe_X]

Originally Posted by Mike@Diablosport

again, the proof is out there man.

Check ALL of the major Chevy based forums, and see if ANYONE has ever had a warranty issue because of a Diablo tuner. (It WOULD make it to the forums if it had happened, I promise you). You will not find it. That goes for any E38 application we support in the U7194, from trucks to G8 to camaro to Vettes, all the same box. Never has there been an issue. Its funny to me how nobody can understand the position I am in and what I can and cannot say, but I will just leave it again with, we REALLY, really, know what we are doing.

Best part is, the only place we have seen the CVN check actually used is on the new Duramax trucks, and guess what, our product has NEVER been detectable there either. I have seen a competitors handheld fail the CVN check several times. Take my word for it or don't, its your warranty.

Thanks.

So how is your product different than HP Tuners? Ive been using HPT since 2006, and I have no idea if the dealer can tell if its been flashed at all. I had a friend that works for the GM engineering department give me some insight, so I know a piece of the puzzle, but not all. But back to my org. question, what makes the diablo so different then HPT? Im talking such as CVN's and such.

Not trying to bash, just trying to get some info!

[Mike@DS]

Originally Posted by HaZe_X

So how is your product different than HP Tuners? Ive been using HPT since 2006, and I have no idea if the dealer can tell if its been flashed at all. I had a friend that works for the GM engineering department give me some insight, so I know a piece of the puzzle, but not all. But back to my org. question, what makes the diablo so different then HPT? Im talking such as CVN's and such.

Not trying to bash, just trying to get some info!

Alot makes us different.

HPt has declared they will not develop a work around for the CVN check (last I saw), but we have...thats about all I can say about that.

[myold88]

Originally Posted by Mike@Diablosport

Alot makes us different.

HPt has declared they will not develop a work around for the CVN check (last I saw), but we have...thats about all I can say about that.

Can we see your written guarantee posted here on camaro5 stating you will cover and/or pay for any warranty work denied by GM because of your tune ?.

[2SSCAMARO]

Originally Posted by myold88

Can we see your written guarantee posted here on camaro5 stating you will cover and/or pay for any warranty work denied by GM because of your tune ?.

^^^^^^^^^^^

[live2well]

Originally Posted by myold88

Can we see your written guarantee posted here on camaro5 stating you will cover and/or pay for any warranty work denied by GM because of your tune ?.

Come on man!! Any company that makes any tuner isnt going to blindly take on that kind of liability. The dealers could say it was the tuner just so they dont have to pay for the repair, if it wont be covered by GM.

Why is it that people find it so hard to believe that these programmers are not smart enough to decode the software that is on these cars? That is what they do. It is a constant battle between the writers and the hackers. This isnt something just car tuners do. Programmer (hackers) decode the software and rewrite it so it works in their application. So do I believe some tuners can make it undetectable? Sure I do. IMO what it boils down to is whether you as an individual are willing to commit fraud when you take your car in for work. FRAUD???? Yes fraud. ...Bottom line is if you didnt think you were doing something wrong then there would be no need to change back to stock mode when taking your car in for work.

People, it is just code. GM writes it. Aftermarket guys decode it and rewrite it. The truth of the matter is if GM didnt want aftermarket guys to work with it, they could take stronger methods to secure it. Though I still believe the aftermarket guys would still eventually break the security. GM isnt making it very difficult for these guys.

Enjoy your tuners and know the risk. Like I read on here a lot "YOU HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY" .

[Michael_Js]

+1 Well said! (wrote)

[Mike@DS]

Originally Posted by myold88

Can we see your written guarantee posted here on camaro5 stating you will cover and/or pay for any warranty work denied by GM because of your tune ?.

Ummm....No?

How in the world did you read that post and come to that conclusion?

All I am telling you is the flash is not detectable. If it is that big of a deal to some of you, you should not be modding your cars, ever, period. (maybe should have started with a nice Honda Accord or something, lol.)

Do you guys beat up the cat back manufacturers about warranty concerns like this tool? What about the CAI guys?
I bet you guys are also shopping for stroker motors with warranties, LOL.
Geez.

[Deric884]

Warranties are overrated. Dropped mine for modding a month after I got the car and I haven't looked back. I was worried about it at first, but this car is just so much fun to mod and responds so great to them that its just not a concern anymore.