Putting down up to 50hp more at the wheels without engine mods

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Originally Posted by flyby

I think the op's wording is excellent. It has caused many, including myself to think about the possability of increasing the overall performance of my 2ss. I have ordered the xa drag package but still waiting for the coil overs. This is the first mod being done. At the same time my car is going to get a little power increase. I'm sure most of those who actually drive their car hard have recognized the limitations of the stock suspension. My hope is to cut 1 to 2 seconds off my 1/4 time to start. The engine mods which should be good for about 50-75 rwhp are costing 6500. Compare that to the 3500 the suspension package costs and you can see that the suspension, dollar for dollar, is greater overall performance increase for each dollar spent. I get what the op not only was trying to communicate, but I also appreciate his making me re-think my overall upgrades.

THANK YOU!!

The intension of this thread is to assist the great community in making their Camaros, faster and safer. I appreciate your comments, and really appreciate you supporting Pedders!!

thanks
mike
dms

[Milk 1027]

I need to pedderise my car as soon as I get some more $$

[strauchpete]

What are you doing to get this power to the ground?
50 hp is alot of power to add at the wheels, and I know suspension can make your car respond better and give you better handling and feeling.
I really dont know what its worth but also I only have a v6...
If i could make my v6 feel and respond like it has 50 more hp that would be alot to me.

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Originally Posted by strauchpete

What are you doing to get this power to the ground?
50 hp is alot of power to add at the wheels, and I know suspension can make your car respond better and give you better handling and feeling.
I really dont know what its worth but also I only have a v6...
If i could make my v6 feel and respond like it has 50 more hp that would be alot to me.

to understand, you should look at the systems I have listed. You also should look at the suspension analysis that we have posted on our web site and is linked in my signature. The Camaro platform, for max performance has a number of areas that can be updated. The goals are to eliminate unneccessary looseness, and improve transfer of hp and torque.

thanks
mike
dms

[usabodyguard]

long time lurker... just joined last month... first post, and WOW, people seem to be pretty critical over here...

I'd better watch everything I say... lol.

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Originally Posted by usabodyguard

long time lurker... just joined last month... first post, and WOW, people seem to be pretty critical over here...

I'd better watch everything I say... lol.

there are some great discussions here. It is all part of the discussions

Welcome to the forum.

mike
dms

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Originally Posted by DallasMike

I'm sorry Mike But I can't sit here and read this and not say anything. Here's the truth on this story. How I know this is b/c I brought the GTO to the party.

My car has an APS twin turbo kit. the cost on the kit including install was about 7k. A maggie with install on a G8 is about 6500. Mike Haddad was the driver in the G8. His car was making around 530 to the wheels. My car makes 533hp and 517 torque. Another important thing to mention is the fact that we were BOTH on TOP OF THE LINE PEDDERS SUSPENSION.

THe first race Mike Haddad got me by about a half car but I was pulling like a freight train towards the end. The Second race I tried to launch at a high RPM to try to take advantage of a little boost to try and pull out of the hole a bit better and ended up blowing the tires off my car and Mike got me by several cars.

Plain and simple Mike Haddad is a better driver than me so he won.

Hey Mike,
Great hearing from you. My experiences with the twin turbos on 3 other GTOs is rear hps, 2 local to me and 1 in Las Vegas, all were well over 600hp. All running Pedders by the way!

I hope your new adventure works out well for you.
Take care
mike
dms

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Here is our first level Drag Package that is specifically designed to add rear control for the stronger launch.

CAMARO DRAG I

Camaro Drag I


The Zeta II CAMARO Platform is an excellent beginning suspension package that can be greatly improved with the magic that Pedders has to offer. Wheel hop is an issue for the new Camaro and this kit eliminates 2 of the major causes of unwanted and un-needed movement. It also improves the strength of your OE front radius rod bushings, allows you to add 1 to 1.25 degrees of positive caster in the from, plus with the alignment kit, you will be able to get your rear tires to a more desirable camber for better tire grip.



Item Code Description Qty
EP1167HD Zeta HD Differential Mounts 1
EP1201HD Camaro HD Rear Sub Frame Repl 1
EP6578 Camaro Fnt Radius Rod bush ins 1
PDUSACAMFULL Camaro Full Alignment Kit 1

What do these parts do?
1. EP1167HD is a very serious bushing that will allow more torque to transfer to the wheels by making serious control of the differential movement
2. EP1201HD is are best and strongest sub frame bushing. This will keep the subframe firmly attached to the body and eliminate unwanted movement. Again, a VERY serious bushing for very serious control
3. EP6578 is a front bushing insert that help protect the fluid filled OE front radius rod bushing, which is important, especially on those very heavy launches or jamming on the brakes to prepare for that serious twisty corner.
4. PDUSACAMFULL. This is a critical kit for adding control and transfer of torque and hp. For the front, you will be able to add 1.0 to 1.25 degrees of additional front caster. This will seriously add control and handling improvements for all types of performance from road racing to drag racing, to just hitting the twisties in your neighborhood. The added adjustability of the rear camber and toe goes way beyond what the OE adjusters can do. You will be able to fine tune camber and toe to reduce understeer, and decrease negative camber to get a better tire foot print to put down more efficient hp.

Now this is our first level package.

mike
dms

[strauchpete]

Originally Posted by dms

to understand, you should look at the systems I have listed. You also should look at the suspension analysis that we have posted on our web site and is linked in my signature. The Camaro platform, for max performance has a number of areas that can be updated. The goals are to eliminate unneccessary looseness, and improve transfer of hp and torque.

thanks
mike
dms

How does it effect the quality of the ride, does it add alot of road noise, vibrations, ect ect.

[seddon]

Ok I have been reading this thread and I have alway believed that better susspension parts make your HP more efficient. A friend of mine Nick drag races his L98 stock motor slightly tweaked but with the right suspension he can lift the front of the car up. He tells me "why do you think guys at the track use slicks?" It's effeciency what good is all that power if you can't put it down.

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Originally Posted by strauchpete

How does it effect the quality of the ride, does it add alot of road noise, vibrations, ect ect.

It is possible to have a very slight increase in differential noise. It will have to do with how the differential is made. We hear reports on about 2 out of 10 HD diff bushings increasing a little noise. But the 1 that I heard was seriously slight.

I have roadtested 5 Camaros with the HD diff and EP1201HD and did not hear any additional road noise. Even in our Pedders Camaro, there is no more road noise.

Now depending on how you drive, you might pick up a slight increase in ride firmness. Keep in mind, the 2 hd bushings are serious bushings and have a primary purpose to transfer power and toque

mike
dms

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Originally Posted by seddon

Ok I have been reading this thread and I have alway believed that better susspension parts make your HP more efficient. A friend of mine Nick drag races his L98 stock motor slightly tweaked but with the right suspension he can lift the front of the car up. He tells me "why do you think guys at the track use slicks?" It's effeciency what good is all that power if you can't put it down.

Exactly!

mike
dms

[sik68]

Hey Mike,

Does Pedders participate in any events around the Bay Area? It would be cool to represent new & old modified Camaros at some autox's etc. Good Guys Pleasanton in June?

According to my calculations my car should be able to keep up with a Pedders 2010 Camaro

Lap Time = (Car)xRWHP^3+HandlingMods*4/3+sqrt(-4)*TireGrip+DriverMod^2

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Originally Posted by sik68

Hey Mike,

Does Pedders participate in any events around the Bay Area? It would be cool to represent new & old modified Camaros at some autox's etc. Good Guys Pleasanton in June?

According to my calculations my car should be able to keep up with a Pedders 2010 Camaro

Lap Time = (Car)xRWHP^3+HandlingMods*4/3+sqrt(-4)*TireGrip+DriverMod^2

We are just now ramping up Camaro mods in Northern Ca. We now have 2 GM dealers, Abel Chevrolet, and John L Sullivan Chev who are quite into the Camaros and are ramping up for more, Synergy in Fremont, who is an outstanding performance shop, and our newest dealer is Custom Alignment in Mountain View. They are 1 of 2 of the best suspension and alignment shops in central and northern Ca. They just did their first Track system for the Camaro with outstanding results.

mike
dms