Will Chevy Strike Back?

[JoshJ81]

Originally Posted by SemperFi

Interesting opinion, but many consumers, like me, are pretty tempted by more horsepower, less weight, better fuel economy, and better technology (SYNC).

I agree the Camaro still looks considerably better, but the mustang looks pretty good, and there are lots and lots of people that think it looks better.

Really? Your worried about 12 hp? That's only 12 hp more than the L99 and 14 less than the LS3? How is that better? A couple hundred pounds of weight? There are many companies that can make your heavy chevy run like a light weight beast. Chevy is still a head of Ford regardless of the new Mustang.

But if this is the case of your worries, then why not take the money you would spend on a "new" and "improved" Mustang and apply it to your already much more beautiful, 400+ hp and make it lighter and faster. An exhaust and supercharger upgrade would cover any weight to power ratio that the new Mustang will put out and I willing to bet the cost wouldn't be much more.

The average American can settle for a mustang. I consider those, including myself, with a Camaro a class step above the rest. Even over those with Vipers or Corvettes, Camaro is the real head turner even after a year I still get smiles, pointing, and asked if a picture can be taken. I never hear of anyone asking that about a Mustang. Maybe I'm bias, but I love my Camaro and never felt like I do with any other Camaro or car I've ever had.

Stick to quality.

PS this is a retort of why not to get a new Mustang, nothing against SemperFi.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by JoshJ81

Really? Your worried about 12 hp? That's only 12 hp more than the L99 and 14 less than the LS3? How is that better? A couple hundred pounds of weight? There are many companies that can make your heavy chevy run like a light weight beast. Chevy is still a head of Ford regardless of the new Mustang.

250 pounds is a big hunk of weight to shave off. The Camaro has to add, at minimum, about 30 more HP to level out the HP/Weight ratio. The crank HP difference isnt much, but the amount of power it puts to the ground and how much weight it has to move means more.

The Camaro realistically cannot, in this generation, slim itself by 200-300 pounds without massive use of composites and carbon fiber, which will drive the price up ALOT (40K+ for the 1SS base). What GM can do is DI the L99 and LS3 motors and pick up about 20 HP or so, work with a tune and put headers on them from the factory. BAM, 30 more HP. That will level out the HP/Weight ratio and put things on the level(ish) again.

From a performance stand point 412 HP on 3610lbs is better than 426 at 3850. Simple numbers and ratios. It is also better than 400 HP at 3950.
So in this case 456 HP at 3850 and 430 at 3950 will be better than the current numbers and negate the Mustangs advantage.

For 2011 MY..Chevy is behind Ford both with the Taurus/Malibu and Mustang/Camaro. I've said it before and I'll say it again..GM should take 2011 to regroup, get some hot new numbers and progress in the Camaro and take the Mustang apart in 2011 for the 2012 MY, same with the Taurus/Malibu comparison.

Screaming and trying to minimize the Mustang doesnt help the Camaro.

[2SSmeCamaro]

Originally Posted by Beemer

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I really don't give a flip what Chevy or Ford do. I don't care if I have the fastest car in it's class.

I bought a '10 Camaro because it's (like me) dead sexy.

[bkscott]

Originally Posted by Beemer

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I really don't give a flip what Chevy or Ford do. I don't care if I have the fastest car in it's class.

I bought a '10 Camaro because it's (like me) dead sexy.

+1 Competition is good, but the reality is even if Ford put a 600hp motor in the Mustang I still would not choose it over my Camaro. This is just what I prefer. If GM steps up then fine, but if the don't I won't lose a wink of sleep over it.

[snakekiller]

Originally Posted by Rollin Thunder

yea that went over well. in the second model year it was dis continued. The corvette has been going strong since the 50's.

yes it did go well, they sold every model at higher MSRP
and to the day, they are selling strong used. The Ford GT was never
ment to live past 06, and it is a true Super Car.

[phenixdragon]

I really hate how they keep saying they are bring back the 5.0. They aren't really bring back the 5.0. I am a huge mustang fan, still love them to this day. I have had a few 5.0s and just love them. But they were 302s. Chevy had the 305. I would say that Ford is bringing out a 305 but not bring back the 5.0.

And yes, I know the 305 is the true size of 5 liters, but Ford called the 302 5.0 so to me it means 302.

But I think Ford will come back against the Camaro once Ford does a new redesign. I think the Camaro is a hot item right now, which is why it is selling the most. The new Mustangs were hot items when they first came out. I use to like them, but now, I I think they are blah. But Mustangs sold to the appeal of everyone and they still do. They have better options, better interior, etc...lots of configurations to choose from. How the heck does the Camaro not have a touch screen head unit? I think for the mass market, the Mustang still appeals more, but for the looks of the body, I think the Camaro finally has this over the Mustang. I think the Mustangs always looked sexier then the Camaro did. That changed with the 2010 models.

[Unfair]

Originally Posted by Number 3

That's one opinion.

Just some counter points:

GM has found that many car owners no longer want NAV. They prefer to have cheaper equipment that they own and can be brought car to car. Studies have actually shown residuals are lower with NAV than without. But it does make a pretty pictures on your dash.

SYNC for me is not really a standout technology. It's ok that some disagree, but you are assuming that because Ford has it, then they are superior. I could tell you about the clinic participant that was sure she has SYNC. Actually tried to show they knew how to use it. Turns out they didn't have but apparently enjoyed yelling "BON JOVI" at their car. And OnStar can do everything SYNC can do but with a live operator. So again it just depends on you. And the features that OnStar offers, SYNC can't do.

The Mustang still has a solid rear axle................sorry.

So this is simply the age old debate. The GM powetrains both have more power. But the Camaro is a heavier but farrrrrrr roomier car. There are trade offs.

MY OPINION, is that both cars are outstanding. Both have loyal fan bases. Both are good for America if nothing more than keeping people interested and talking about great cars, just like we are doing here. For some it will be FE decision for others a HP decision, for others pure styling and yes there are people that believe in their hearts and minds that the Mustang is more beautiful than a Camaro.

But to your original question, will? Does GM have the will? Absolutely you can take my word for it. This car will be continually improved with some very exciting inovations, tweaks and chanes over the next several years. And you know what? I expect Ford will do the same. Don't think for a minute Ford is somehow in a differnt boat than GM. Ford owes a bunch of money to people other than the U.S. Government..............and they can't pull a Chrysler and go thanks for the money, we don't plan to pay you back though.

SYNC? Really?

I agree with a few point but honestly, you have to give it up to ford on how far they are taking that live rear axle.
it performs alot of people can admit.

[phenixdragon]

Originally Posted by Number 3

That's one opinion.

Just some counter points:

GM has found that many car owners no longer want NAV. They prefer to have cheaper equipment that they own and can be brought car to car. Studies have actually shown residuals are lower with NAV than without. But it does make a pretty pictures on your dash.

SYNC for me is not really a standout technology. It's ok that some disagree, but you are assuming that because Ford has it, then they are superior. I could tell you about the clinic participant that was sure she has SYNC. Actually tried to show they knew how to use it. Turns out they didn't have but apparently enjoyed yelling "BON JOVI" at their car. And OnStar can do everything SYNC can do but with a live operator. So again it just depends on you. And the features that OnStar offers, SYNC can't do.

The Mustang still has a solid rear axle................sorry.

So this is simply the age old debate. The GM powetrains both have more power. But the Camaro is a heavier but farrrrrrr roomier car. There are trade offs.

MY OPINION, is that both cars are outstanding. Both have loyal fan bases. Both are good for America if nothing more than keeping people interested and talking about great cars, just like we are doing here. For some it will be FE decision for others a HP decision, for others pure styling and yes there are people that believe in their hearts and minds that the Mustang is more beautiful than a Camaro.

But to your original question, will? Does GM have the will? Absolutely you can take my word for it. This car will be continually improved with some very exciting inovations, tweaks and chanes over the next several years. And you know what? I expect Ford will do the same. Don't think for a minute Ford is somehow in a differnt boat than GM. Ford owes a bunch of money to people other than the U.S. Government..............and they can't pull a Chrysler and go thanks for the money, we don't plan to pay you back though.

SYNC? Really?

are you comparing Sync and OnStar? They are not the same.

Mustangs sell so well is because of the legacy and because there are so many options. If you don't want nav, then get one without nav. Some people do want nav, so you can get a Mustang with nav. Mustangs tailor to so many people and that's why they give you so many options. It's why they have different GT models like GT Premium. Most people don't care about the axle. People want different things out of the Mustang.

[justincase_2008]

This troll fest thread is still going???? And honestly how many of you bought this car for performance and LEFT it stock to race...... ok so these stock race number mean nothing. If i want to drag race i have toys for that when i want to drive the best looking car i have the SS. And if you are sad and "upset" with your 2010 that the newer mustang is a LITTLE faster you need to rethink owning it.

[navmaxlp]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

They would have announced if anything was different on the 2011 V8 when they released the 2011 info. They already released that the HUD would be standard on the 2SS now, if there were engine changes they would have posted them then.

2011 V8's remain unchanged.

I respectfully disagree. It is entirely possible that Chevy is playing their V8 hand close to the vest so they can outdo the mustang. This is exactly what they did with the 2010. I find it hard to believe the only changes being made are the handful that have been announced. People were screaming that there was no info about the 2011s. Chevy had to release something. There were no surprises with the press release. Anyone shocked that there will be a HUD option? Synergy green is the new color? V6 unchanged to keep the fuel economy standards? Teasers every single one. In my opinion the real news is yet to come. I'm waiting to put my order in for the big block they'll be announcing in June. Ok, that's a lie. I'll more than likely get the V6 but still....

On a side note, I think this is one of the best threads going. Good stimulating debate. If we keep it clean and don't get carried away, it'll be a classic.

[2010 Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by Havok

I didn't buy the Camaro for whats under the hood (though it was a plus), but rather the over all package.

Yup !

Originally Posted by Beemer

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I really don't give a flip what Chevy or Ford do. I don't care if I have the fastest car in it's class.

I bought a '10 Camaro because it's (like me) dead sexy.

Me Too !

Originally Posted by Deric884

Well I bought the car for whats under the hood.

That being said, I love my Camaro, and am glad I bought it and am modding it.

Great job on the 5.0 though, ford. Its a good time to be a muscle car fan.

What he said !

Originally Posted by SemperFi

Interesting opinion, but many consumers, like me, are pretty tempted by more horsepower, less weight, better fuel economy, and better technology (SYNC).

I agree the Camaro still looks considerably better, but the mustang looks pretty good, and there are lots and lots of people that think it looks better.

That too !

Originally Posted by Maurdib

The Challenger is slower then both, but I still love the style and sound of the engine, she people disregard it because the stang is faster?

All three are nice cars. It's good to have competition or they will never develop them like they are.

Originally Posted by macwest

camaro, mustang or challenger at least they are based on American tradition. For me... do not care what ford does the ford dealers in my area are a rip off. Every car was over MSRP and the sales people treated me as dumb. The dodge dealres tink they have gold. My camaro was under MSRP and my Chevy Dealer called me a week after I bought the car to make sure I was happy with it..

American tradition too !! Yup !

Originally Posted by third1

I like all three of the modern muscle cars but the Camaro has always ben my favorite hence the name third1. I think the Z28 will put a cap on this for a while

All thre are great cars. All good looking. The camaro is the best looking for me.

Originally Posted by RedJewelrsss32

The Camaro and Mustang are good clean competition But this gen 5 Camaro is on a platform of its own the comeback will stick for a long time GM did a good job and it did wake up Ford I dont think their designs come close to the Camaro though.

This is all good !

Originally Posted by T D C

well one thing is for sure 2010 belongs to the camaro 2011 we will find out soon

2010 year of the camaro !!

Originally Posted by newagemuscle

I'm not dogging the Mustang because I like them just as much as the Camaro. In my opinion its just a diiferent American muscle car. Competition is always good. As for performance... from what I have seen, atleast based on trap speeds, I would say it's a drivers race. The way so many are talking here, you would think they were getting low 12's out of it in every test.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Lor5150

I'm just so happy the Muscle Cars are hot on the streets again...Mustangs are nice...but I will ALWAYS take the Camaro, even at a few seconds slower...Camaro is just well.....A CAMARO!!!!!!!!

For me Bumblebee rules, even the mustag guy ask me to trade. They say my car looks better and will get more girls !!

Originally Posted by bkscott

+1 Competition is good, but the reality is even if Ford put a 600hp motor in the Mustang I still would not choose it over my Camaro. This is just what I prefer. If GM steps up then fine, but if the don't I won't lose a wink of sleep over it.

ME TOO !

[Rockhead]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Internal reports on NAV vs. non NAV vehicle residuals. Keep in mind it doesn't mean the VALUE of the car is less, it means the % of the original purchase price is less. So didn't "hear" that, it was actual data.

Looks like you misread the data.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Rockhead

Looks like you misread the data.

Ummmmmm based on what exactly?

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Unfair

I agree with a few point but honestly, you have to give it up to ford on how far they are taking that live rear axle.
it performs alot of people can admit.

Oh, absolutely. But here is my point. If the Mustang had an IRS it would be better still.....if the Camaro had a solid rear axle it would be worse.