Camaro Sales -- 6,000 Sold orders 84% SS V8!

[Hylton]

Originally Posted by CWIweldace

If I understand what Scott is saying, not so much as can't, they won't build off balance #s just to satisfy a few. 6000 sounds like a huge number, but it's small compared to the 80-100,000 projected. Yes they want to produce all the cars us enthusiasts have ordered, but they also need to build some V6 models for the dealers lot and the general public. (The supply chain). (Marketing)

Woah - you fill the sold orders first. I don't care if you are selling a car or a toaster. As for marketing - I would think it is much better to have us driving our cars around town for all to see then having one or two cars at a dealership.

The 80-100K build number needs to be clarified now that that the 20K build memo went out.

[RetroDude]

I know as a fact there are a lot of Canadians up here anxiously awaiting to find out what the prices will be first before they finalize their choices on which camaro they are going to buy, myself included. However, with our dollar value continuing to fall and the uncertainty of the current economic future most are trying to figure out how much they will be able to afford by the time the camaro starts rolling off the assembly line in late Feb - early Mar 09. I'm certain once GM finally releases the Canadian Price Lists ( Nov 16th I've been told ), there will be thousands of more orders for camaros being placed. Perhaps, V6's more so than V8's as were figuring V6's to be priced between $27,000 to under $40,000 and V8's to start at $40,000 and go up from there. As these are only estimates, once again we are anxiously awaiting GM's final pricing and hoping that they will indeed be reasonable for us.

My true dream is to own a 1SS/RS, but will equally be happy if I end up with a 2LT/RS instead. Either way, I've loved the Camaro since the day I could first drive and don't really care what's under the hood ( so long as it's not a 4cyl ) with at least 300 hp and stylish good looks I know I will be the envy of any 210 hp V8 Mustang GT owners as I leave them crying in my trail of dust!

[Inspector 17]

Originally Posted by Hylton

Woah - you fill the sold orders first. I don't care if you are selling a car or a toaster. As for marketing - I would think it is much better to have us driving our cars around town for all to see then having one or two cars at a dealership.

The 80-100K build number needs to be clarified now that that the 20K build memo went out.

I certainly agree with Hylton. A bird in the hand... Why would you not produce as many of the vehicles that are sold already as you can? That's more money right to the bottom line and more cars out on the roads. Plus, as I said in an earlier post, wouldn't the SS models probably give you the best profit margin? They should certainly give you the highest revenue.

[CamaroSSforme]

Originally Posted by liberty

Reasons to get the auto:

1) No worn out clutches or missed shifts, fewer problems overall

2) Faster than manual - in quarter mile - (per Chevrolet)

Formula One racers use automatics - once again - faster

1. Fewer problems than an automatic? I think you need to do some research. Missed shifts? Been driving for 24 years and can't remember the last time that happened

2. Um yeah...might want to do some current research on that....I'll give you a hint - You're incorrect

[Hylton]

Welcome Super60! With respect to the current cars you have built, have you see/painted any blue or Cyber Grey Camaros yet?

[liberty]

Originally Posted by 70 COPO

Please do not blame GM for Government mandated far left leaning regulations like CAFE - that hobble the desire to bring product to the consumer.

Good point, and the same anti-performance federal (unconstitutional) regulations will probably kill the Z28 - from what I've read.

[liberty]

Originally Posted by CamaroSSforme

1. Missed shifts? Been driving for 24 years and can't remember the last time that happened

Vehicle(s) currently owned/driven - transmission?

[radz28]

Originally Posted by RetroDude

I know as a fact there are a lot of Canadians up here anxiously awaiting to find out what the prices will be first before they finalize their choices on which camaro they are going to buy, myself included. However, with our dollar value continuing to fall and the uncertainty of the current economic future most are trying to figure out how much they will be able to afford by the time the camaro starts rolling off the assembly line in late Feb - early Mar 09. I'm certain once GM finally releases the Canadian Price Lists ( Nov 16th I've been told ), there will be thousands of more orders for camaros being placed. Perhaps, V6's more so than V8's as were figuring V6's to be priced between $27,000 to under $40,000 and V8's to start at $40,000 and go up from there. As these are only estimates, once again we are anxiously awaiting GM's final pricing and hoping that they will indeed be reasonable for us.

My true dream is to own a 1SS/RS, but will equally be happy if I end up with a 2LT/RS instead. Either way, I've loved the Camaro since the day I could first drive and don't really care what's under the hood ( so long as it's not a 4cyl ) with at least 300 hp and stylish good looks I know I will be the envy of any 210 hp V8 Mustang GT owners as I leave them crying in my trail of dust!

We don't have it as bad as you guys, as far as pricing...

Originally Posted by liberty

Vehicle(s) currently owned/driven - transmission?

Originally Posted by liberty

Good point, and the same anti-performance federal (unconstitutional) regulations will probably kill the Z28 - from what I've read.

I agree with you totally

Originally Posted by CamaroSSforme

1. Fewer problems than an automatic? I think you need to do some research. Missed shifts? Been driving for 24 years and can't remember the last time that happened

2. Um yeah...might want to do some current research on that....I'll give you a hint - You're incorrect

Respectfully - please stay on topic

Originally Posted by Hylton

Woah - you fill the sold orders first. I don't care if you are selling a car or a toaster. As for marketing - I would think it is much better to have us driving our cars around town for all to see then having one or two cars at a dealership.

The 80-100K build number needs to be clarified now that that the 20K build memo went out.

I'm sure it's more complicated than that. Don't you think they would do that if they could? I'm sure they would. Most people realized V6s were going to be the priority so please be understanding. I'm as eager as you to get a brand new Camaro but we need to think globally and what is best for Camaro and GM. I'd want my car too if I put down a deposit, for sure.

Originally Posted by Evilkosh99

OK. Scott says calm down - I calm down

"Patiently waiting"

Originally Posted by CWIweldace

If I understand what Scott is saying, not so much as can't, they won't build off balance #s just to satisfy a few. 6000 sounds like a huge number, but it's small compared to the 80-100,000 projected. Yes they want to produce all the cars us enthusiasts have ordered, but they also need to build some V6 models for the dealers lot and the general public. (The supply chain). (Marketing)

The pre orders will be built as soon as possible. But they need to mix in a healthy quantity of LS, LT's. Just because we pre ordered does not mean our cars will be the entire first run. Like everyone who ordered SS, I would love to get my SS in late Feb or early Mar. I am also prepared to wait till late Mar or April. It's like a painter on another thread, who works at the Oshowa assembly plant, said. Because of the robotics systems the can make a red car, then black, the silver then........ They can build any trim level in line with other trim levels. It just may take a bit longer to get all of our SS Camaros.

That's my two cents worth. I don't recall seeing or hearing any gaurantees by GM as to what they will build first. I will be happy to get mine when I get it, I don't have to be the first in line or first in town to draw attention. We will get the attention regardless of when we get our cars.

Some of this thread needs to be merged with: Stop Bitching!

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8990

This isn't a beeshing thread Unless it goes that way...

[Design1stCode2nd]

The people who preorder a car before they can even drive it will be enthusiasts. Most enthusiasts will want the top model also a disproportionate amount of manual transmissions from the norm.

Seems pretty obvious that this would be the case so I can't see why GM thought all the early adopters would want V-6 autos. Once full production is under way and someone stops by the dealer in April because they saw the commercial of the new camaro then sure lots of v-6s but from the start? They should have figured on at least 75% v-8 with 40/60 auto/manual.

[radz28]

Do we know exactly what GM is going to do yet and who says things can't change? If the market shifts I'm sure they're going to try to shift too. Let's not put the wagon before the horse, or whatever the phrase is.

"Keep the faith"

[Hylton]

Originally Posted by radz282003

I'm sure it's more complicated than that. Don't you think they would do that if they could? I'm sure they would. Most people realized V6s were going to be the priority so please be understanding. I'm as eager as you to get a brand new Camaro but we need to think globally and what is best for Camaro and GM. I'd want my car too if I put down a deposit, for sure.

Not so sure. My question is what are they doing to try and make it possible and why have they not told us exactly how many V8 Camaros will be built per month. Let's not assume that everyone who has already put down a deposit will "automatically" know their car will only be delivered in September. If that's the case, let your customers know!

[fbodfather]

OK..once again - calm down.

(and I NEED TO CALM down because I want to wring the person's neck that put this message out to dealers -- and the person within the dealership that put the message out to YOU.......)

FIRST -- the number of units mentioned that we will produce is WRONG........we'll build more units than that barring any unforseen circumstances or work stoppages. (and I put that last line in there because NO ONE knows what will happen tomorrow.......)

SECOND -- we want each of you behind the steering wheel of your new Camaro........MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT..........LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN -- MAKE --- NO -- MISTAKE -- ABOUT -- IT...............
(...now go read it again!)

THIRD-- anyone who has any production planning management experience will understand that you do NOT tool to build 100 percent of anything when you offer choices -- NO ONE DOES . Let me say that again NO -- ONE -- DOES.............

The hardest thing (In my opinion) that we have to do is to forecast option load.........and I dare anyone on here to predict what the car will sell in terms of option load in the 2011 model year -

We are in FINE SHAPE right now. IF -- and that's a HUGE 'IF" the orders HAD come in at 100% SS -- and EVERY allocation had been spoken for (and that has not happened....) then we'd have some concern..........

So -- calm down.

Not everyone at GM is a walking moron.

Don't believe everything you read --esp. when you have no idea of the source.

REPEAT AFTER ME: WE WANT YOU BEHIND THE STEERING WHEELS OF YOUR NEW CAMAROS...............

Now -- one more favor:

DURING THE NEXT 'PANIC DU JOUR' -- (which, I'm confident will happen within the next few minutes........)

..........would you PLEASE just STOP for a minute and think:

"........Perhaps -- just perhaps -- GM has done this for many years -- and perhaps - just perhaps -- they know what they're doing -- and perhaps --just perhaps they DO care about us as evidenced by Fbodfather coming out here and calming us down every other day............."

and then think:

" I'd better be careful or Fbodfather just MAY have a stroke and die and IF he DIES he's gonna come back to haunt me with an entire fleet of black Suburbans...........and my life will be 'kaakaa'......"

So......let's PLEASE -- (I'm begging you......) STOP with the "Panic Du Jours"..........please?????


Thank you!

Now -- back to our regularly scheduled programming..........

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

OK..once again - calm down.

(and I NEED TO CALM down because I want to wring the person's neck that put this message out to dealers -- and the person within the dealership that put the message out to YOU.......)

FIRST -- the number of units mentioned that we will produce is WRONG........we'll build more units than that barring any unforseen circumstances or work stoppages. (and I put that last line in there because NO ONE knows what will happen tomorrow.......)

SECOND -- we want each of you behind the steering wheel of your new Camaro........MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT..........LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN -- MAKE --- NO -- MISTAKE -- ABOUT -- IT...............
(...now go read it again!)

THIRD-- anyone who has any production planning management experience will understand that you do NOT tool to build 100 percent of anything when you offer choices -- NO ONE DOES . Let me say that again NO -- ONE -- DOES.............

The hardest thing (In my opinion) that we have to do is to forecast option load.........and I dare anyone on here to predict what the car will sell in terms of option load in the 2011 model year -

We are in FINE SHAPE right now. IF -- and that's a HUGE 'IF" the orders HAD come in at 100% SS -- and EVERY allocation had been spoken for (and that has not happened....) then we'd have some concern..........

So -- calm down.

Not everyone at GM is a walking moron.

Don't believe everything you read --esp. when you have no idea of the source.

REPEAT AFTER ME: WE WANT YOU BEHIND THE STEERING WHEELS OF YOUR NEW CAMAROS...............

Now -- one more favor:

DURING THE NEXT 'PANIC DU JOUR' -- (which, I'm confident will happen within the next few minutes........)

..........would you PLEASE just STOP for a minute and think:

"........Perhaps -- just perhaps -- GM has done this for many years -- and perhaps - just perhaps -- they know what they're doing -- and perhaps --just perhaps they DO care about us as evidenced by Fbodfather coming out here and calming us down every other day............."

and then think:

" I'd better be careful or Fbodfather just MAY have a stroke and die and IF he DIES he's gonna come back to haunt me with an entire fleet of black Suburbans...........and my life will be 'kaakaa'......"

So......let's PLEASE -- (I'm begging you......) STOP with the "Panic Du Jours"..........please?????


Thank you!

Now -- back to our regularly scheduled programming..........

I cannot stop laughing. That was a great response to the nonsense.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by Hylton

My question is what are they doing to try and make it possible and why have they not told us exactly how many V8 Camaros will be built per month.

Hylton -- I love ya dearly -- I love ya like I love my Z7D.........BUT.........

Why do you think we should tell you exactly how many V8s we're gonna build in a month?

What makes you think ANY manufacturer knows how many of anything they're gonna build in one month? Even during boom times in the Auto Market -- it's next to impossible to tell you exactly how much of anything we're gonna build.

Moreover- we haven't even
started to build 'saleable pilots' yet......with quality at the forefront of what we do -- I can tell you that the acceleration ramp-up of production is VERY conservative. I'd rather say "we're gonna build 20 jobs an hour -- and then build 25 -- than the reverse..........

So -- again -- calm down -- read what I just posted above...........


And understand that we DO know what we're doing.............I promise!!