Thoughts for the day camaro VS X

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

I thought them 5.0 engines were nearly maxed out.

The LS3/L99 are good up to 600~ hp, without swapping out internals...

I'm curious as to how the 5.0 will do.

You are swapping out internals on a LS3 if you want 600hp NA.

If you are talking about what is the limit of say the pistons or the rods for making power it is a guess right now.

Whipple is supposed to already have a supercharger kit for the new 5.0 that they say makes 600hp at 7psi on pump gas.

I would say you would want to replace internals on both motors before you went much higher. Those hyper-explod-itis pistons in both the 5.0 and LS3/L99 are the weakest links.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by macwest

Interesting response but that is not really true, with out thinking on price the comparison on cars is apples to oranges. It gives a basis for a valid comparison given both cars cost roughly the same price it then boils down to which mods were better. In looking at those answers one can conclude which company and products gives a better HP for the money spent.

I agree with what you are saying when we are talking about cars that are relatively close in price.

What I was talking about people who say they wouldn't buy say a Enzo Ferrari because they could get a Z06 and have XXX money to mod. Outrageous crap like that is what I was talking about.

[alphaghost]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I agree with what you are saying when we are talking about cars that are relatively close in price.

What I was talking about people who say they wouldn't buy say a Enzo Ferrari because they could get a Z06 and have XXX money to mod. Outrageous crap like that is what I was talking about.

I totally agree, while you may have mods to beat a STOCK car, he/she still has a warranty

[MADBOWTIE]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

No x pipe no x pipe. Why make it fight itself ! H H H !

Why?? Had one on my FRC corvette with B&B exhaust and the car loved it.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by MADBOWTIE

I like camaros, that is why I bought a new Super Sport and why I am on a camaro forum. If I was not mechanicly inclined and wanted to out run a GT500 I would buy a Z06 and kill GT500's and turdmanators at will with a nearly stock car. Fortunatly I like to work on my cars so I will tinker with the SS until it's performance fits my needs. Headers,check x pipe and 3" exhaust, check 3.6 LC Kennie Bell, comeing soon. I really enjoy working on the camaro almost as much as I am going to enjoy wipeing the smug look off of the GT500 and terminator crowd.

First off you don't need a Z06 to beat a GT500. The grand sport will due just fine and is closer to the cost of a GT500. Secondly you will have the smug look when you get beat by a GT500 that has more mods than you. Remember you have to know the car your racing. Just because your not stock don't thing everyone you meet will be.

[MADBOWTIE]

I have played this game a long time, I know what I can do and what I can not do. Besides I have a full stable of fun toys to beat up on other modded cars I am just really enjoying the new camaro right now!!!

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by MADBOWTIE

I like camaros, that is why I bought a new Super Sport and why I am on a camaro forum. If I was not mechanicly inclined and wanted to out run a GT500 I would buy a Z06 and kill GT500's and turdmanators at will with a nearly stock car. Fortunatly I like to work on my cars so I will tinker with the SS until it's performance fits my needs. Headers,check x pipe and 3" exhaust, check 3.6 LC Kennie Bell, comeing soon. I really enjoy working on the camaro almost as much as I am going to enjoy wipeing the smug look off of the GT500 and terminator crowd.

Unless those GT500's and Terminators have been modded as well.....

[SWAT 79]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

We do know right now that a CAI/tune/pulleys/exhaust will net you ~450hp NA on the 5.0.

But that is the Saleen package. I will be interested to see the numbers people get out of the new 5.0L with basic mods.

Can we get a link to the above?


The 5.0 is pretty maxxed out. The 4.6 is going to be the better mod motor, more boost friendly and bolt-on friendly. With that said, even with every bolt on possible you're going to be quite a few hp short from the 5.0.

[oldlugs]

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

Can we get a link to the above?


The 5.0 is pretty maxxed out. The 4.6 is going to be the better mod motor, more boost friendly and bolt-on friendly. With that said, even with every bolt on possible you're going to be quite a few hp short from the 5.0.

I highly doubt that the 4.6 will be the better one to mod... It shouldn't be long before the forged rods, cranks, and lower compression pistons are all available in a crate version of the new 5.0... No doubt they'll be plenty boost friendly. I'll take the better breathing 4 valve head and more modern/refined bottom end, thanks. Nothing against a single cam pushrod engine when it's set up for a single purpose, but there's a pretty good argument for variable cam timing between both intake and exhaust. Funny how you can make a 5 liter perform like a 6 liter that way... And still get better mileage than a 4 liter used to.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

Can we get a link to the above?


The 5.0 is pretty maxxed out. The 4.6 is going to be the better mod motor, more boost friendly and bolt-on friendly. With that said, even with every bolt on possible you're going to be quite a few hp short from the 5.0.

The SMS 302 4V utilizes the all-new normally aspirated twin overhead cam 5.0-liter V8 engine with over 440 horsepower and 400 pound-feet of torque. This is accomplished with an all-new four-valve head design, a high flow exhaust system, an optimized pulley drive system, premium fuel calibration and performance filtration.

http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...cars-treatment

[SWAT 79]

Wow, awesome. My mistake...carry on.



That saleen is sexual btw, if i could afford it i'd definitely consider a 11' gt.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

Wow, awesome. My mistake...carry on.



That saleen is sexual btw, if i could afford it i'd definitely consider a 11' gt.

A guy that posts on some forums, and is supposed to be dead on with his inside Ford news, said that he saw them testing the 5.0 on the engine dyno near the end of research and development. He said they were getting around 470hp out of the 5.0 on the dyno at the time.

And not many manufacturers would make and sell a "maxed" out motor, especially if it was going in a ~30k Mustang.

You will just have to shell out some money and know someone that is a master of these Ford OHC motors to get some power out of say cam swaps or head porting and what not.

While not the same engine, some teams racing Ford GTs in Europe are or were running 600hp DOHC 5.0L motors that are N/A. They were based on the 5.0L "cammer" engine you have been able to buy from Ford for a few years now.

[Craig]

I think, frankly, that it's not so much speculation as it is wishful thinking on the part of GM loyalists that this engine is somehow maxed out from the factory. It is certainly not bottled-up like the LS3 in the Camaro and I have no expectation that it will respond nearly as well to basic bolt-ons. But once the blower kits start coming out I think we're going to see some truly eye-popping numbers. HE pistons and 11.0:1 compression isn't exactly the most boost-friendly combo out there but plenty of Camaro and Corvette owners are running Maggies on their LS3's which also have HE pistons and even higher compression at 11.3:1.

[Sax1031]

I thought the LS3 had 10.7:1 compression?