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Georgie · 04-26-2010, 11:16 AM

nice, but camaro had summer tires and mustang had all seasons. nice anyway, but tires do a lot. they are probably more even than previously thought though

Unfair · 04-26-2010, 11:18 AM

Guess edmunds is the choice review now, forget that 12.7 that the other magazine ran with the car, pfft. let's make pretend it didn't happen, 2011 GT def. run 13.3 and that's it.

ULTRAZLS1 · 04-26-2010, 11:25 AM

What are you talking about?

You are doing the SAME EXACT THING by only mentioning the motor trend review. Why is that more important? Because it favors the mustang?

Car and Driver and also Inside line both had the camaro faster. Only motor Trend ran the 12.7.

This has no significance? Give me a break.

8cd03gro · 04-26-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by meanmike

Not shooting the messanger just pointing out that they ran another GT and it beat the Camaro so I dont understand how they claim the Camaro as the winner if anything they can call them equals.

The Mustang may not pack the Camaro's visual firepower, but it's an easy car with which to live.
On the quarter-mile at Auto Club Speedway in lush, parklike Fontana, California, IL's long-term Camaro SS whomped to 60 mph from a standstill in just 5.1 seconds with the traction control turned off (4.8 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip). The full quarter-mile went by in 13.1 seconds at 110.4 mph.
Our red Mustang GT (on all-season Pirelli P Zero Nero tires) matched the Camaro SS's blast to 60 mph by hitting that speed in an identical 5.1 seconds from a standstill with the traction control turned off (4.8 seconds with 1 foot of rollout). But the quarter-mile took another two-tenths to complete with a slightly lower trap speed, 13.3 seconds at 107.3 mph.

That's a razor-thin advantage for the Camaro and, just to throw in some additional ambiguity, we also tested another Mustang GT (this one in blue and wearing summer tires), which ripped to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds and blitzed the 1,320 feet in 13 seconds at 110.6 mph. That's the kind of razor's edge that can be measured in microns.

Difficult to hook up leaving the line. Wants to bog or boil, so best launch with minimal wheelspin from about 2,500 rpm. Big rubber on 2-3 and 3-4 upshift

They complained about the tires the whole time, then said the one they ran with summer tires ran "13 seconds at 110.6 mph"

Hardly supporting the notion that the mustang is slower than expected.

ULTRAZLS1 · 04-26-2010, 11:28 AM

The blue car was from its initial testing and was not on the same day. The camaro also ran a 13.0 in its initial tests with edmunds as well.

I have never said slower than expected. Its just funny to see that now 2 out of the 3 tests done on the same day between the two cars actually show the camaro as being slightly faster. (C&D/edmunds=camaro, motortrend=mustang). Also all the other numbers that were not from the same day comparison testing show the camaro as fast or faster as well in all comparisons except motor trend.

All in all it is a very close race and it is great to see some of the mustang fanboys eat their words. We were hearing about getting spanked for months now and that just isnt the case.

meanmike · 04-26-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

The blue car was from its initial testing and was not on the same day. The camaro also ran a 13.0 in its initial tests with edmunds as well.

The whole point is it can will and has done better then the other times.

Unfair · 04-26-2010, 11:31 AM

Easy there, just saying' which ever one you choose to take as a real performance figure it up to you. since "only motor trend" ran 12.7 I guess it doesn't count? I'm not sure I am following your logic. but that's OK

Unfair · 04-26-2010, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

The blue car was from its initial testing and was not on the same day. The camaro also ran a 13.0 in its initial tests with edmunds as well.

I have never said slower than expected. Its just funny to see that now 2 out of the 3 tests done on the same day between the two cars actually show the camaro as being slightly faster. (C&D/edmunds=camaro, motortrend=mustang). Also all the other numbers that were not from the same day comparison testing show the camaro as fast or faster as well in all comparisons except motor trend.

All in all it is a very close race and it is great to see some of the mustang fanboys eat their words. We were hearing about getting spanked for months now and that just isnt the case.

In your opinion what would you say it the fastest the new GT can run?

THE EVIL TW1N · 04-26-2010, 11:37 AM

wow, the Ford did really well considering the all-season tires! great job Ford!!

cmiller8006 · 04-26-2010, 11:37 AM

It just sounds like these last two magazines cant drive. So now its 2 and 2.

Scrappy Doo · 04-26-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Why am I bitter? I dont even own or want to own either car. I simply like to encourage rational thought and critical thinking skills, which apparently are lacking with a majority of people today.

Then why are you here?

Both the cars are quick.

ULTRAZLS1 · 04-26-2010, 11:39 AM

Never said it didnt count.

Why is a test showing a faster time for the mustang any more significant than one showing a slower one? and vice versa....you are doing/did the same thing.

But as it stands...if this was a court case....2 out of 3 tests favor the camaro that were done on the same track on the same day.

Dont get me wrong though...If I had to guess I would say the mustang would most likely be slightly faster. The main reason I posted this is to show that mag times can be all over the place and dont really mean a whole lot. In the end I look mostly at the traps the cars have been putting up across all tests and they are virtually dead even. (if you get the good tires and gears on the stang)

BackinBlackSS/RS · 04-26-2010, 11:42 AM

Come on guys. There was all this hype that the new Mustang was gonna kick ths SS's ass.
More and more tests are coming in to show that is just not the case. These cars perform
at nearly identical levels. Can't we just agree on that. They are BOTH kick ass muscle cars and that's all I gonna say. Long live the muscle car wars.

ULTRAZLS1 · 04-26-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

wow, the Ford did really well considering the all-season tires! great job Ford!!

Yep. And the camaro did great with the tires that come standard on every SS!!

(as well as gearing, brakes etc.)

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04-26-2010, 11:16 AM	#3781
Georgie Drives: Camaro... soon Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,217	nice, but camaro had summer tires and mustang had all seasons. nice anyway, but tires do a lot. they are probably more even than previously thought though __________________ 2011 IOM or CGM 1SS

04-26-2010, 11:37 AM	#3790
cmiller8006 Drives: 2009 Cobalt SS/TC Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sandusky, Ohio Posts: 368	It just sounds like these last two magazines cant drive. So now its 2 and 2. __________________ 2009 Cobalt SS/TC: 10.89 at 133mph

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04-26-2010, 11:18 AM	#3782
Unfair Banned Drives: 2001 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 754	Guess edmunds is the choice review now, forget that 12.7 that the other magazine ran with the car, pfft. let's make pretend it didn't happen, 2011 GT def. run 13.3 and that's it.

04-26-2010, 11:25 AM	#3783
ULTRAZLS1 Drives: 14 Silverado LTZ Z71, 16 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Jackson, Michigan Posts: 4,418	What are you talking about? You are doing the SAME EXACT THING by only mentioning the motor trend review. Why is that more important? Because it favors the mustang? Car and Driver and also Inside line both had the camaro faster. Only motor Trend ran the 12.7. This has no significance? Give me a break.

04-26-2010, 11:28 AM	#3785
ULTRAZLS1 Drives: 14 Silverado LTZ Z71, 16 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Jackson, Michigan Posts: 4,418	The blue car was from its initial testing and was not on the same day. The camaro also ran a 13.0 in its initial tests with edmunds as well. I have never said slower than expected. Its just funny to see that now 2 out of the 3 tests done on the same day between the two cars actually show the camaro as being slightly faster. (C&D/edmunds=camaro, motortrend=mustang). Also all the other numbers that were not from the same day comparison testing show the camaro as fast or faster as well in all comparisons except motor trend. All in all it is a very close race and it is great to see some of the mustang fanboys eat their words. We were hearing about getting spanked for months now and that just isnt the case.

04-26-2010, 11:31 AM	#3787
Unfair Banned Drives: 2001 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 754	Easy there, just saying' which ever one you choose to take as a real performance figure it up to you. since "only motor trend" ran 12.7 I guess it doesn't count? I'm not sure I am following your logic. but that's OK

04-26-2010, 11:37 AM	#3789
THE EVIL TW1N Banned Drives: 2003 Cobra Convertible Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: CA Posts: 2,925	wow, the Ford did really well considering the all-season tires! great job Ford!!

04-26-2010, 11:39 AM	#3792
ULTRAZLS1 Drives: 14 Silverado LTZ Z71, 16 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Jackson, Michigan Posts: 4,418	Never said it didnt count. Why is a test showing a faster time for the mustang any more significant than one showing a slower one? and vice versa....you are doing/did the same thing. But as it stands...if this was a court case....2 out of 3 tests favor the camaro that were done on the same track on the same day. Dont get me wrong though...If I had to guess I would say the mustang would most likely be slightly faster. The main reason I posted this is to show that mag times can be all over the place and dont really mean a whole lot. In the end I look mostly at the traps the cars have been putting up across all tests and they are virtually dead even. (if you get the good tires and gears on the stang)

04-26-2010, 11:42 AM	#3793
BackinBlackSS/RS Go Blue!!!!! Drives: 2012 Cruze LT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 23,290	Come on guys. There was all this hype that the new Mustang was gonna kick ths SS's ass. More and more tests are coming in to show that is just not the case. These cars perform at nearly identical levels. Can't we just agree on that. They are BOTH kick ass muscle cars and that's all I gonna say. Long live the muscle car wars.