Forget the Z28...get straight to the ZL1

[littlecammi]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

Carl Stuber of Cedar Rapids, Iowa is the owner of the 1969 ZL1 Camaro #65 Fathom Green and now proud owner of the # 65, 2002 ZL1 Supercar Camaro, also in Fathom Green. The interior is black and white houndstooth, the same as produced in '69 especially for the ZL1s. Stuber works in the cellular phone industry and also has a web site where he sells a battery product. Stuber also owns two Yenko cars.

Kevin Hand is the owner of a new Silver Cortez 2002 ZL1 Supercar Camaro. Hand is in the car industry and for two years has been head of a Honda dealership. He is part owner of an auto chain "Crown Automobiles" with dealerships across North Carolina and Virginia. He was equally excited about the day, with this car his 9th purchase of collectible cars. He has 7 Yenkos and two ZL1s, he said, the #13 1969 Fred Gibb ZL1 that he purchased in California from Jack Head Chevrolet. The car had originally come from La Harpe, he said. Now he has the #13 2002 ZL1 in the same Cortez silver but with different striping and a 600 h.p. engine.

If any of you were paying attention, you would realize that if GM made a limited production ZL1 gen5 Camaro you would never be able to get one. Even if they set MSRP at $80K, they would all be purchased by rich bastard collectors like those listed above, for whatever price above MSRP needed.

[383ss]

I can't beleive nobody has mentioned the proposed Z28 supposedly has the LSA engine which is just a detuned LS9. THAT IS THE PLAN that has been rumored.

The LSA is in the caddy for less than $60k, so this $80k number your throwing around is BS. I would expect a camaro with an LSA and 550hp to be less than 50k. more like 45ish.

Originally Posted by Supermans

Because there is nothing special looking about the Corvette ZR1..It doesn't turn heads anymore and is need of a re-design to do so..

The Camaro is fresh, new and will turn heads. I would rather have an LS9 in a Camaro than a Corvette even it it means losing some speed because of the wieght. However an LS9 in a Camaro would scream and be able to compete against the GT500KR in any race..

The ZR1 doesn't turn heads?? only if your not a car enthusiast and know nothing about them.

[383ss]

Originally Posted by littlecammi

If any of you were paying attention, you would realize that if GM made a limited production ZL1 gen5 Camaro you would never be able to get one. Even if they set MSRP at $80K, they would all be purchased by rich bastard collectors like those listed above, for whatever price above MSRP needed.

just like you can't get a GT500 for sticker right??

[headpunter]

Originally Posted by 383ss

I can't beleive nobody has mentioned the proposed Z28 supposedly has the LSA engine which is just a detuned LS9. THAT IS THE PLAN that has been rumored.

The LSA is in the caddy for less than $60k, so this $80k number your throwing around is BS. I would expect a camaro with an LSA and 550hp to be less than 50k. more like 45ish.





The ZR1 doesn't turn heads?? only if your not a car enthusiast and know nothing about them.

the lsa is anything but a detuned LS9

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by 383ss

I can't beleive nobody has mentioned the proposed Z28 supposedly has the LSA engine which is just a detuned LS9. THAT IS THE PLAN that has been rumored.

The LSA is in the caddy for less than $60k, so this $80k number your throwing around is BS. I would expect a camaro with an LSA and 550hp to be less than 50k. more like 45ish.





The ZR1 doesn't turn heads?? only if your not a car enthusiast and know nothing about them.

The LSA is closer to a supercharged LS3 than a detuned LS9. But this thread is about what the ZL1, aka grand daddy of all Camaro's, would be. The Z28, while special, was still attainable for the average buyer. The ZL1 is a legend, some know a guy who had a buddy who owned one, few ever get closer than that. LS9 would be nice indeed, but to keep in line with the original it should be the LS7. The special thing about the ZL1 was that it was light weight and had an aluminum 427 in it. I'd rather it have 505 hp in a 3600 lb Camaro than 550 in a 4000 lb Camaro.

[BowtieGuy]

There is no doubt in my mind that SLP will have a special package for the Camaro.

[CamaroSpike23]

how bout a supercharged LS7?

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

how bout a supercharged LS7?

Come on spike, I don't think I need to tell you the problems that would be associated with that.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

Come on spike, I don't think I need to tell you the problems that would be associated with that.

just throwing it out there for the fishies to bite...

[CWI]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

Chevrolet built ZL1s in very limited production in the fourth generation. There's no reason to believe that GM liquidated the name from what I can tell.

In the '69 also

[383ss]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

The LSA is closer to a supercharged LS3 than a detuned LS9. But this thread is about what the ZL1, aka grand daddy of all Camaro's, would be. The Z28, while special, was still attainable for the average buyer. The ZL1 is a legend, some know a guy who had a buddy who owned one, few ever get closer than that. LS9 would be nice indeed, but to keep in line with the original it should be the LS7. The special thing about the ZL1 was that it was light weight and had an aluminum 427 in it. I'd rather it have 505 hp in a 3600 lb Camaro than 550 in a 4000 lb Camaro.

ok, I'll say its more of a cross between an LS3 and LS9

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/14/d...-2l-superchar/


either way I think the LSA would be the way to go for a ZL1. keep the cost down and still plenty of power.

The Z should be a 3500lb version of the SS with standard shorties, CAI, a bigger cam and put out about 475hp.

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

just throwing it out there for the fishies to bite...

Throwing out ideas like that is more like bait for rabid piranhas.

[TAG UR IT]

This the one ya'll were talking about?

[radz28]

Originally Posted by nester7929

Well, historically the SS has always been faster than any of the number series (when they exist). Likewise, the Camaro z/28 has always been inferior to the Camaro SS. It's a completely reborn Camaro, I say it's time to create a new legacy by going with something original. I'd rather see GM use a moniker that has never been used before.

This is a debatable statement. You couldn't steering a big-block SS around a corner like you could a Z28 anymore than a Z28 could outrun a big-block in the 1320'.

Originally Posted by 383ss

ok, I'll say its more of a cross between an LS3 and LS9

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/14/d...-2l-superchar/


either way I think the LSA would be the way to go for a ZL1. keep the cost down and still plenty of power.

The Z should be a 3500lb version of the SS with standard shorties, CAI, a bigger cam and put out about 475hp.

I think the LSA is closer to an LS9 than the LS3, but I just don't think it's possible to make a Z28 500 lbs. lighter and it still have all the crash protection that's necessary. The argument about weight is moot at this point, IMVHO, although, I imagine some concessions could be made here and there I bet (although, they'd probably come at the expense of comfort.) IMHO, the easiest way to make a ZL1 OR Z28 is add the LSA - since it's already been validated in the Caddy', it doesn't seem like there would be as much development necessary and adding a couple hundred more pounds probably won't offset the increase in power by too much.

I don't see GM doing either a ZL1 or Z28 if Ford doesn't still have a GT500. I see a Z28 more than a ZL1 because I doubt many people, that aren't enthusiasts, won't have even heard of a ZL1 before, where most everyone, I'm sure, has heard of Z28. That being my side, I think if the GT500 comes back in a form similar to the past, I think LSA will make it into whatever car GM might fight back with. I don't think they would put out a car that makes a lot less power (i.e. 475 compared to 500+) but carve corners. I do think they would try to make a more balanced car than the Ford though, so who knows? I just hope Camaro's popular enough to justify another model and that I can afford that model when it does come out. Hopefully we'll see something around it's 45th