V6 Coupe Comparo Accord vs Camaro

[Beau Tie]

Originally Posted by Mblock66

So sure you and others are allowed to compare whatever cars you want (or not want) to the camaro, that is totally fine. No issues with that.

At least we can agree on something.

Back on topic (as requested), I still don't feel that the Accord stands a chance against the Camaro in a full out head to head. Paper is one thing, driving experience and mechanics is another. While none of us (most I should say) have no experience driving a new Camaro, I am confident that the Camaro driving experience will be night and day better than the Accord could offer. This is based on everything from engine torque performance, suspension setup, RWD vs. FWD cornering, straightline and cone performance.

The Camaro delivers a substantially better car for less money in regards to being a "drivers" car. The Camaro IS a sports car, the Accord is not.

[swifttal]

Originally Posted by SS4EVER

I'm glad someone posted this....

Here's what you guys need to be discussing right here....

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9130

Gee, funny how the accord wasn't mentioned in that comparison, being such a big competitor and all

The Genesis, I would most definitely agree with you on. The whole automotive industry will be competing with both the coupe and sedan this year

[Evilangel]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

But would you agree that it would be wise for Chevy to market the V6 Camaro towards the people who normally buy Accord V6s, and Altima V6s, etc (in addition to the red, white, and blue-blooded people you mentioned later on)?

In my opinion, they'd be really ignoring a fine chunk of potential buyers if they didn't.

I suppose, but one look at the Camaro and you can tell it's a world of difference from any accord or camry etc.. When most people think accord or camry their thoughts do not immediately rush to the classic muscle cars of yore or even the modern/retro bumblebee of today. Instead they think of a practical car that is uber reliable. When you say Camaro to me I think of my dad's 68 SS or the monster LS1's I see at the drag strip. It's a very different feeling.

[Mblock66]

Yes but that is you. Turn it this way.

Some random 18 year old girl that wants a new cool car from daddy! She wants it to be sporty but knows nothing or cares nothing about engines or 0-60 or FWD or RWD.

They will look at the altima, mustang, accord, solara, camaro, etc. I promise that. I have seen way too many high school girls driving around in V6 mustangs and camaros in my day. Yet I bet they have no idea what a camaro is as far as muscle car history and such. We are all in the minority here most buyer aren't NEAR as informed as we are.

[swifttal]

Originally Posted by Mblock66

Yes but that is you. Turn it this way.

Some random 18 year old girl that wants a new cool car from daddy! She wants it to be sporty but knows nothing or cares nothing about engines or 0-60 or FWD or RWD.

They will look at the altima, mustang, accord, solara, camaro, etc. I promise that. I have seen way too many high school girls driving around in V6 mustangs and camaros in my day. Yet I bet they have no idea what a camaro is as far as muscle car history and such. We are all in the minority here most buyer aren't NEAR as informed as we are.

Very true - in most cases like this the luck of the draw mostly depends on what dealership brands are closest to them. Very few buyers have an actual car in mind when they go shopping (like we do). They just have a type of image they want and the car salesmen convince them of what car will fit that.

Also talked w/ my 17 year old cousin this morning who informed me he wants a new camaro bad. I asked him about a few other cars, one of which was the accord, and he said that "the accord is an old japanese man's car". This combined with how many members we have on this board under 18, the camaro will do just fine with the younger generations.

[SS4EVER]

Originally Posted by Mblock66

Yes but that is you. Turn it this way.

Some random 18 year old girl that wants a new cool car from daddy! She wants it to be sporty but knows nothing or cares nothing about engines or 0-60 or FWD or RWD.

They will look at the altima, mustang, accord, solara, camaro, etc. I promise that. I have seen way too many high school girls driving around in V6 mustangs and camaros in my day. Yet I bet they have no idea what a camaro is as far as muscle car history and such. We are all in the minority here most buyer aren't NEAR as informed as we are.

Exactly! Camaro sales aren't going to thrive alone on enthusiasts buying them alone! And even though a large majority of the pre-orders were actually 2SS's when GM starts loading them off at the lots you can bet there's going to be more LT's and LS's sitting on the lots...

GM knows that they need not only enthusiasts, but more importantly a broader customer base which the success of the Camaro depends on! So if GM can get anyone to buy the Camaro they don't care who buys them, just as long as it sells, and get ready to start seeing a lot of chicks rolling around in Camaro V6's & some V8's....

And other people that you normally would figure to buy a Camaro...

[Evilangel]

Originally Posted by Mblock66

Yes but that is you. Turn it this way.

Some random 18 year old girl that wants a new cool car from daddy! She wants it to be sporty but knows nothing or cares nothing about engines or 0-60 or FWD or RWD.

They will look at the altima, mustang, accord, solara, camaro, etc. I promise that. I have seen way too many high school girls driving around in V6 mustangs and camaros in my day. Yet I bet they have no idea what a camaro is as far as muscle car history and such. We are all in the minority here most buyer aren't NEAR as informed as we are.

Well if they don't care about RWD vs FWD I doubt they will care if the Accord is a .2 seconds quicker from 0 to 60 either. I know that for my wife it's all about how the car looks. Yup, she loves how the Camaro looks.

[Dom]

General public that will buy the Camaro V6 will not care about any specs it has. The gear heads that buy the SS will care about the specs.

I personally can't wait to get one as my daily and beat that 14.2 ¼-mile to close this thread forever.

[Evilangel]

Originally Posted by Dom

General public that will buy the Camaro V6 will not care about any specs it has. The gear heads that buy the SS will care about the specs.

I personally can't wait to get one as my daily and beat that 14.2 ¼-mile to close this thread forever.

ugh I'm still stuck between the 2lt/RS and the 1SS.

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Evilangel

ugh I'm still stuck between the 2lt/RS and the 1SS.

If that's going to be your only car I'd go with the SS. I already have a Z28 and plan on getting a LS3 vette to replace it eventually. This V6 will just be a daily. I'm getting a 1LT with upgraded radio as the only option. I'll be saving $8K, which will be used to help buy the future vette. If the vette was completely out of the question I'd go with the SS for sure.

[MrIcky]

Back to the OP, it is a legitimate question. The V6 accord COUPE (you clearly said coupe not the 4 door, right?) is actually a pretty strong car. Honda has long been known for good steering feel and precision which is what most people think of when they think of feeling sporty. The 2LT/RS and V6 Coupe compete pretty well on equipment and price.

The Accord coupe looks OK but looks is in the eye of the beholder. I personally don't think a car has come up in the last 15 years that looks as good as the new Camaro excluding a couple Italian exotics.

The Accord dash is a turn off in my opinion (and my wife's). There are too many buttons that detract from driving. The Camaro looks much less cluttered. However some people don't care for the retro-ish ness of the Camaro- again up to you.

The Accord does get better mileage, slightly. Hard to say on reliability, although GM has convinced me that they are doing much better.

If you actually steer with your right foot on public roads, then the answer is clear- Camaro. Otherwise it's much more about aesthetics and reputation.

[TomServo]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

Back to the OP, it is a legitimate question. The V6 accord COUPE (you clearly said coupe not the 4 door, right?)

I did and in a subsequent follow up I also added that this question was generated by my 27 year old son currently serving in Iraq. He contacted me regarding his plans to buy a new car upon his return, you know how GI's serving overseas dream about these things. I did when I was in Viet Nam.

He started off asking for info on the 2009 Accord Coupe (his mom has a 2008 Accord sedan that he drove while home on leave - it's the EX-L I4 w/Nav).

So while I was gathering info on the 2009 Accord Coupe my dealer called informing me I could order a new Camaro. I had "casually" mentioned I wanted to be the first Camaro buyer in line at my dealer that was back in 2006. I have the first two allocations at Jack Schmitt Chevrolet in O’ Fallon IL. I have ordered my 2LT/RS and am waiting on my son to make up his mind. Here’s the rest of the story hence this thread.

I started passing on the URL's and car magazine reports. Still even armed with all that he was leaning towards the Accord coupe, he even mentioned that also every other Security Forces troop in his squadron (all under the age of 27) felt the same way. This may not be very scientific but when red blooded American military youth lean heavily towards the Honda one has to ask - Why???

So that was the reason for starting this thread. Not to justify or confirm the purchase decision of feelings of a coupleof thousand die hard Camaro fans that are most likely over the age of 45.

I'm talking about the youth of today and what their dreams and aspirations are. Hell I'm 57 and have owned a 1969 Firebird 400, a 75 Firebird T/A, a 78 Firebird T/A 6.6, a 83 Camaro LT, a 85 Camaro IROC and 7 vette's since 1972.

So it's not so much about me and my generation but about the current generation. I’ll say it again,- This Generation, not mine/ours.

Thanks for listening and I hope this get's back on track.

[SS4EVER]

That's great what you are doing for your son! Tell your son thank you for his sacrifices and for fighting for our country!

I'm a little younger than your son, well 5 years younger... but... I'd ask him what he wants. The Accord Coupe V6, and the Camaro V6 offer and bring different things to the table. As far as price goes... depending on what he wants they're going to be competitive, however.... If he opts for a fully loaded 2LT w RS, it's going to cost less than a V6 Accord Coupe w navigation, I believe those are going for over 30k...

Performance wise... By going off of #'s alone the V6 Accord Coupe probably will be just a few ticks quicker, however until either GM releases official performance stats for the V6 Camaro or once the car magazines like C&D AND NOT EDMUNDS!!! do their tests, we can't be certain.

Looks are a personal opinion. The Camaro in my opinion looks 100x better than the Accord Coupe V6, although the Accord Coupe actually isn't that bad looking. I keep seeing one in the really nice electric Blue and it's too not bad looking.

Lastly he really can't make a decision until the V6 Camaro comes out so he can test drive them himself. I don't know what other cars he's owned in his lifetime, but the V6 Camaro and the Accord Coupe V6 are probably going to offer very different driving dynamics. The Camaro V6 being RWD will behave differently vs the Accord Coupe seeing it's FWD. Also is he planning on getting a manual or auto trans?

Those are concepts that I'd forward to him. Maybe even take some suggestions from this posting.

In my opinion, I'd take a equally equipped Camaro V6 (like a 2LT w RS) over the Accord V6 Coupe. Unfortunately I don't think the V6 (for what I want) will deliver the level of performance that I'm looking for (i'm hoping to be proven wrong though ), so in the mean time I'm looking at a 08 350Z and then having that for a few years until I can save and get myself the Camaro SS that I really want...

[TomServo]

Originally Posted by SS4EVER

That's great what you are doing for your son! Tell your son thank you for his sacrifices and for fighting for our country!

I'm a little younger than your son, well 5 years younger... but... I'd ask him what he wants. The Accord Coupe V6, and the Camaro V6 offer and bring different things to the table. As far as price goes... depending on what he wants they're going to be competitive, however.... If he opts for a fully loaded 2LT w RS, it's going to cost less than a V6 Accord Coupe w navigation, I believe those are going for over 30k...

Performance wise... By going off of #'s alone the V6 Accord Coupe probably will be just a few ticks quicker, however until either GM releases official performance stats for the V6 Camaro or once the car magazines like C&D AND NOT EDMUNDS!!! do their tests, we can't be certain.

Looks are a personal opinion. The Camaro in my opinion looks 100x better than the Accord Coupe V6, although the Accord Coupe actually isn't that bad looking. I keep seeing one in the really nice electric Blue and it's too not bad looking.

Lastly he really can't make a decision until the V6 Camaro comes out so he can test drive them himself. I don't know what other cars he's owned in his lifetime, but the V6 Camaro and the Accord Coupe V6 are probably going to offer very different driving dynamics. The Camaro V6 being RWD will behave differently vs the Accord Coupe seeing it's FWD. Also is he planning on getting a manual or auto trans?

Those are concepts that I'd forward to him. Maybe even take some suggestions from this posting.

In my opinion, I'd take a equally equipped Camaro V6 (like a 2LT w RS) over the Accord V6 Coupe. Unfortunately I don't think the V6 (for what I want) will deliver the level of performance that I'm looking for (i'm hoping to be proven wrong though ), so in the mean time I'm looking at a 08 350Z and then having that for a few years until I can save and get myself the Camaro SS that I really want...

Another fact he has to think of, he's stationed out in Colorado Springs. So when he get's back he'll need a car that can get him to/from the base in all kinds of weather. So while I haven't tried to influence him, all weather safety has to be a concern.

But that's another issue some of us don't need to consider as we have other vehicles in the family motor pool.