Shouldn't we be comparing this to the new Mustangs?

[TT C6]

Scott and GM have DESTROYED the current and new Mustang with the 5th Gen Camaro. It's not even a competition.
Ford products are trash. The only thing good on the Mustang is the TVS supercharger. I have always compared the F-body to the Corvette. The 4th Gen Camaro used to offer Corvette power-to-weight ratio with a working class pricetag and image.
Unfortunately, the 5th Gen Camaro's ratio is nowhere near the current Corvette's.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

Every car is competition for the Camaro. If you want a Camaro and your wife wants you to save gas instead and get a Toyota Prius...then the Toyota Prius is competition for the Camaro.

That said, a Mustang is in the exact same market as the Camaro. They are direct competition...if you'd hop off your fanboy wagon you'd realize that.

Drop an LS3 in a prius and it becomes competition against a camaro...With your logic, a motorcycle would be competition to a camaro as well and a scooter..

[camaroshaun]

If Ford does not come out with a 5.0 they are stupid!!!! Even if they do they still will never come close to camaro. I think the max their GT will come with will be 350hp.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by camaroshaun

If Ford does not come out with a 5.0 they are stupid!!!!

Lots of people would say that if they do come out with a 5.0 they are still stupid. I am not such a person.

[truth411]

Hello I'm new, may I offer my 2cents. I think the mystical 5.0 400 hp v8 mustang is total Bull. Lets keep a few things in mind. Back when the 2005 redisign mustang was looming, rumors was that the 5.0 v8 was going to come back, Did it? NO!! there was hype for the 2008 Mustang, what happen? Nothing. 2009 again nothing. Now Ford fanboys FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR was screaming on the internet that the mustang will get the mystical 5.0 400 hp v8 in the 2010 mustang. (Although no 5.0 v8 exist in any ford products on planet earth). For 2010 mustang only gets the 315hp v8 from the mustang Bullit!!!! thats a measley 15hp increase. Are we seeing a trend here people? Ford has release their power train plans which shows that they are focusing on Ecoboost, not V8's. Also there is no way that a 5.0 400hp DOHC V8 with a 7000 rpm redline can make the fuel mileage needed to contribute to fords CAFE score. Gm has the advantage in this area with old fashion torque combined with gearing. I would not be surprised that by 2012 which is when the mustang gets a major overhaul that it will not even offer a V8, besides special editions. By the way the Camaro is going to pown the compition for the forseeable future and thats the truth.

[StoutFiles]

Drop an LS3 in a prius and it becomes competition against a camaro...With your logic, a motorcycle would be competition to a camaro as well and a scooter..

I'm not using competition in terms of performance. I'm using competition as people don't have unlimited money to purchase vehicles and any vehicle on the market is competing against the Camaro. My logic is called common sense.

I'm getting a 2010 RS/SS but sometimes I feel the fanboyness of some people is sickening. The new Camaro is a good car on paper but it's not the greatest thing in the world and it doesn't make the competition look pathetic. The new Mustangs will be nice in their own respects and owning one would be nothing to be ashamed about.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by truth411

Hello I'm new, may I offer my 2cents. I think the mystical 5.0 400 hp v8 mustang is total Bull. Lets keep a few things in mind. Back when the 2005 redisign mustang was looming, rumors was that the 5.0 v8 was going to come back, Did it? NO!! there was hype for the 2008 Mustang, what happen? Nothing. 2009 again nothing.

Outside of wishful thinking on the part of some I have no idea where you heard the above rumors for 2005, 2008, or 2009 because plans for a 5.0L in any of those applications didn't exist.....there was no need since the 5.8L and 6.2L Boss/Hurricane motors were still going to be dropped into everything with a V8. EPA and CAFE requirements changes and so did Ford's plans.

Originally Posted by truth411

Now Ford fanboys FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR was screaming on the internet that the mustang will get the mystical 5.0 400 hp v8 in the 2010 mustang. (Although no 5.0 v8 exist in any ford products on planet earth).

As I recall no credible source on the subject ever stated that the 2010 Mustang would get the 5.0L. At one point there was the possibility that Ford would fast-track the 5.0L engine to bump it up from the original 2011MY on sale date to the 2010MY, but that never got past the 'might could' stage of the game and to my knowledge was never reported by a credible source as being factual. The on sale date for the 5.0L is now and has always been the 2011MY.

Originally Posted by truth411

For 2010 mustang only gets the 315hp v8 from the mustang Bullitt!!!! thats a measley 15hp increase.

You are on a roll. The 2010 Mustang GT will not be rated at 315hp.

Originally Posted by truth411

Are we seeing a trend here people? Ford has release their power train plans which shows that they are focusing on Ecoboost, not V8's.

Ford is focusing on several new engine programs including GTDi engines. (I say GTDi and not Ecoboost because not all GTDi engines built by Ford will be of the Ecoboost variety...and this applies to both name and mission)

Originally Posted by truth411

Also there is no way that a 5.0 400hp DOHC V8 with a 7000 rpm redline can make the fuel mileage needed to contribute to fords CAFE score.

I would like to see your evidence for this. Lexus manages 24mpg hwy and 16mpg city (19mpg combined) from a 4.6L DOHC V8 producing 380hp at 6400rpm in a very large and heavy Lexus LS460 sedan. It isn't very far to 5.0L and 7000rpm, and the 5.0L Ford engine will be a in a smaller/lighter car and will produce more torque. Fuel economy for the V8 Mustang will be best in class....easily.

Originally Posted by truth411

Gm has the advantage in this area with old fashion torque combined with gearing. I would not be surprised that by 2012 which is when the mustang gets a major overhaul that it will not even offer a V8, besides special editions.

Again, I fail to see what you are basing your argument upon. Based on what we saw with the GTO and G8 the Camaro SS is just barely going to squeak past a GGT. Ford is going to have an engine with similar power output which produces superior fuel economy to both Ford existing offerings and GM's competitive offering, a move which ensure that Ford will be able to continue offering V8's for the forseeable future.

Originally Posted by truth411

By the way the Camaro is going to pown the compition for the forseeable future and thats the truth.

I admire your optimism.

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by truth411

Hello I'm new, may I offer my 2cents. I think the mystical 5.0 400 hp v8 mustang is total Bull. Lets keep a few things in mind. Back when the 2005 redisign mustang was looming, rumors was that the 5.0 v8 was going to come back, Did it? NO!! there was hype for the 2008 Mustang, what happen? Nothing. 2009 again nothing. Now Ford fanboys FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR was screaming on the internet that the mustang will get the mystical 5.0 400 hp v8 in the 2010 mustang. (Although no 5.0 v8 exist in any ford products on planet earth). For 2010 mustang only gets the 315hp v8 from the mustang Bullit!!!! thats a measley 15hp increase. Are we seeing a trend here people? Ford has release their power train plans which shows that they are focusing on Ecoboost, not V8's. Also there is no way that a 5.0 400hp DOHC V8 with a 7000 rpm redline can make the fuel mileage needed to contribute to fords CAFE score. Gm has the advantage in this area with old fashion torque combined with gearing. I would not be surprised that by 2012 which is when the mustang gets a major overhaul that it will not even offer a V8, besides special editions. By the way the Camaro is going to pown the compition for the forseeable future and thats the truth.

LOL .. I like how 1 sided some people are .... we already don't own the G5T500 .. we are on par w/ the 2003/2004cobra straight line performance (at least that is how I feel until some SS cars are tested .. maybe I'll be suprised.)

[truth411]

No deal, syr74. Lexus already makes a 5.0 DOHC v8 with 416hp and 371lb of torque, that is practicaly the exact numbers your saying the mustang gt will have. It gets 16 city 23 hwy mpg. It only does that because it has a 8spd auto (too many gears in my opinion). I highly doubt the mustang will get an auto with soo many gears needed to get the gas mileage as high you say it will be from a motor so highly tuned. BTW Crowley how am I one sided?? a 5.0 dohc 400+hp v8 does not exist, FORD has said nothing, all this 2011 mustang mumbo jumbo is just speculating and rumors NOT FACTS and thats the truth.

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by truth411

No deal, syr74. Lexus already makes a 5.0 DOHC v8 with 416hp and 371lb of torque, that is practicaly the exact numbers your saying the mustang gt will have. It gets 16 city 23 hwy mpg. It only does that because it has a 8spd auto (too many gears in my opinion). I highly doubt the mustang will get an auto with soo many gears needed to get the gas mileage as high you say it will be from a motor so highly tuned. BTW Crowley how am I one sided?? a 5.0 dohc 400+hp v8 does not exist, FORD has said nothing, all this 2011 mustang mumbo jumbo is just speculating and rumors NOT FACTS and thats the truth.

I'm just saying you are one sided .. you said the camaro will own the mustang when we don't know if it will or not .. it is all speculation .. We know what current and past mustangs can do though.

I do think the the Cammer engine from FORD is real. I believe that does make over 400hp if I'm not mistaken. Isn't that a 5 liter 32v engine? It isn't in a production car, but they could build on that technology with no problems. I can't for the life of me figure out why some people can't support both GM and Ford ....

I say bleed American and be done with all of the my car is faster than your car crap. With the right amount of money you can make any car fast or perform ..

Crowley

[Georgie]

exactly

[truth411]

I can't for the life of me figure out why some people can't support both GM and Ford ....

I do, I own nothing but Ford vehicles my entire life, but when GM released news that a 422hp, RWD, 6spd manual, IRS, 4 pot brembo brakes with 14"+ rotors, engine oil cooler and transmission oil cooler equipt car for just 31k, I think I have just been converted.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by truth411

No deal, syr74. Lexus already makes a 5.0 DOHC v8 with 416hp and 371lb of torque, that is practicaly the exact numbers your saying the mustang gt will have. It gets 16 city 23 hwy mpg.

So you think the fuel economy had to take that kind of nose dive for the sake of another .4L and 36hp? If you are as informed about all things automotive as you claimed to be in the other thread you should know better...it isn't nearly that simple. When Yamaha tuned the engine in the ISF the goal was focued more toward a change in engine character than a change in power. Simple, production spec upgrades like a tweaked exhaust, revised intake setup, and a revised factory tune coupled with the .4L increase in displacement could likely have yielded the hp increase the ISF experienced all by themselves with little difference in refinement or efficiency.

Originally Posted by truth411

It only does that because it has a 8spd auto (too many gears in my opinion). I highly doubt the mustang will get an auto with soo many gears needed to get the gas mileage as high you say it will be from a motor so highly tuned.

400hp from a DOHC 5.0L is not a particularly highly tuned engine at this point.

Originally Posted by truth411

BTW Crowley how am I one sided?? a 5.0 dohc 400+hp v8 does not exist, FORD has said nothing, all this 2011 mustang mumbo jumbo is just speculating and rumors NOT FACTS and thats the truth.

And no he is presuming to somehow know what I know.

Originally Posted by truth411

I do, I own nothing but Ford vehicles my entire life, but when GM released news that a 422hp, RWD, 6spd manual, IRS, 4 pot brembo brakes with 14"+ rotors, engine oil cooler and transmission oil cooler equipped car for just 31k, I think I have just been converted.

The miraculous internet 'conversion' experience. I used to swear by ....... but am now a die-hard proponent of ....... Never heard that one before.

C'mon man, your credibility isn't worth it. Wouldn't you rather actually learn something? And if not, why bother at all?

[truth411]

Syr74 i used the lexus IS-f as a good bench mark, not an exact copy. Overall if what you say is true then the lexus IS-f is a good example of the 2011 mustang power, weight and fuel economy. If I am wrong and what you say is true that the 2011 mustang GT will have a 425hp V8 and get better gas mileage with a 3600lb curb weight I will glady eat my words, though I want to see some specs and Diagrams on how in the world Ford pulled it off.