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Old 05-06-2010, 10:25 PM   #99
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If it has the 'CAMARO' logo on it, it's a muscle car.
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Old 05-06-2010, 10:30 PM   #100
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Mine feels like a V8 and after I installed my new exhaust it now sounds like a V8. Either way, its a hell of a car and I think GM has done a hell of a job.
I am not trying to put down v6 Camaros by saying this (all 5th gens are great!) but there is no way it sounds like a V8. It may sound bad-ass but the two engines have unmistakably different exhaust notes.

I agree that it's a hell of a car though, in all trims!
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Old 05-06-2010, 10:58 PM   #101
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The NEW V6 is!!!
the new v6 is not a muscle car, V8s are the only muscle cars period old or new.

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old School no

New School yea

Just my opinion
old or new v6 is not a muscle car and never will be,

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So I guess a 420hp Porsche is a muscle car then?
NO

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Old 05-06-2010, 11:06 PM   #102
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No. It's a pony car.
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:11 PM   #103
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Than I guess your Skyline GTR V6 isnt a Muscle car either!
thats right its not, A V6 IS NOT A MUSCLE CAR PERIOD.

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sorry Camaro V6 owners but your cars aren't muscle cars. after all, to have a muscle car you actually need some muscle. sorry, just kidding.... lol

the only V6 muscle car was the '86 and '87 Buick Grand National. that was probably one of the baddest, American beasts known to man. I had two. one was a daily driver and one was a show-race car. these cars were truly unbelievable back in their day.

and then of course GM F-ed up and killed the line like they usually do with anything great they build.
the grand national was not a muscle car, it was fast but not because of the motor it was because it had to cheat with a turbo, you can make anything fast with a turbo.
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:17 PM   #104
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Camaro's aren't muscle cars. V8's or V6's.

Sorry V8 owners, your car ain't a muscle car either. Pony cars FTW
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:19 PM   #105
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You damn skippy the V6 is a Muscle Car!!! It just ain't no V8. Enough said!
skippy has nothing to do with it and your wrong

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Why do people get so hung up on labels? It's badass. Isn't that enough?
no its not enough, remember the legends they all where V8s.

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Camaro's aren't muscle cars. V8's or V6's.

Sorry V8 owners, your car ain't a muscle car either. Pony cars FTW
your wrong too

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To put it straight the Camaro, (even old school Camaro's) were not considered Muscle Cars by definition. They were Pony cars.

Most American car manufactuers in the 60's and 70's had both Muscle Cars and Pony Cars. Chevy had its Camaro, Pontiac Firebird/Trans Am, Ford Mustang, Mercury Cougar, Plymouth Barracuda, Dodge Challenger, and AMC Javelin/AMX.

However, a true Muscle car was an intermediate sized two door automobile with a full size car motor (Big Block). The 1964 GTO was the first true muscle car (well debatable with the 1957 Chyrsler 300, First Hemi for you Mopar guys), as Pontiac took the 389 from the full sized Bonneville, with 3x2 Carbs, dual exhaust, 4 speed and installed it into the 64 Tempest/Lemans (intermediate car). Pontiac took everyone by surprise. Now it was catch up time for everyone else in late 64 and early 65.

Chevy in 1965 took the Corvette 396CID/375HP motor and put into the Chevelle and the Chevelle 396SS was born. Chevy (also in 1965), installed the Corvette 427/425HP in a select few Chevelle SS's that were coded the Z11.

Oldsmobile in late 1964/early 1965 took its 400 (Actually 394CID) from the Dynamic 88 full size car line and installed it into the F-85 Cutlass calling it the 442 (442 = 4bbl, 4spdl, dual exhaust).

Buick in 1965 took the 400 CID from the Buick Riviera and installed it in its Skylark (intermediate) and called it the Skylark GS (Grand Sport). Eventually GM upped the ante on all its model car lines with engines getting bigger and bigger and more powerful each year from 1965 through 1970 (396, 400, 425, 427,454 and 455CID engines depending on car manufactuer mnake and model).

The Plymouth, Dodge boys also had their versions of Muscle Cars (Charger, Fury, Super Bee, GTX, Road Runner and Belvedere with 383, 440 or 426 Hemi Power).

So did Ford/Mercury (Fairlanes, Cyclones, Torinos with 427/428/429 to eventually 460 CID Big blocks).

And even the now defunct American Motors Corporation (AMC) had their Rebel Machine and Rambler from 1967 through 1970 with 390 and 401 CID Motors installed in their intermediate cars.

The Full sized cars in the 1960's through 1970 with factory modified big blocks were known as Super Cars. Full sized cars were the Impalas, Belaires, Caprices, Rivieras, Electra 225, Polaras, Fury III's, Catalinas, Grand Prix's, Bonnevilles, Mauraders, LTD's, Galaxies, Delta 88's, and Toronados.

There were also mid-sized cars that were known neither by Pony Car or Muscle Car but they were quick and fast. Some of these were the 340/383 Dodge Dart/Demons and 340/383 Plymouth Swingers/Dusters, Chevy II's/Nova SS with 327/350 or 396 power, the Ford Falcons/Mercury Comets 289/302 and the AMC S/C Rambler 390.

The 60's and early 70's was the era for totally awesome American cars. I'm just glad to have been there when those classics were new, and was able to buy them as used cars when I got out of High school.

Now if you want to talk about the birth of the Modern Day Muscle car well that era would have begun in the mid 1980's, but that is another story for another time.
you just dont get it ether

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Old 05-06-2010, 11:25 PM   #106
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your wrong too
My wrong too? Sorry, I do not own a 'wrong too'

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Pony car is an American class of automobile launched and inspired by the Ford Mustang in 1964.[1][2] The term describes an affordable, compact, highly styled car with a sporty or performance-oriented image. "It was small by Detroit standards, with sporty styling... [a]nd the rear wheels were driven by an engine — ideally a big V8 — mounted up front..."[3] Pony cars were "relatively small, relatively light and often absurdly powerful."[4]
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your wrong too
You need to relax a bit man. You're coming on a little strong. Agree or disagree, everyone's opinion counts. A little respect is all that is needed here.
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:27 PM   #109
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You need to relax a bit man. You're coming on a little strong. Agree or disagree, everyone's opinion counts. A little respect is all that is needed here.
its my opinion on each one and im relaxed
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:27 PM   #110
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So would Napolean Dynomite be considered a Muscle builder without muscle? The V6 cars(camaro, mustang, or challenger) are the Napoleans of the muscle car world. Sure they have alot of muscle if you put them against cars of the past, but this isnt a car of the past. Its a NEW car so put it agaist other new cars. Hondas, Hyundais, and Nissans can all run with the V6. Like its been said, "Muscle cars" are the bigger cars with big motors, but that was in the old days. Todays "muscle car" is pretty much an old name plate with the higher performance numbers.
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:28 PM   #111
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My wrong too? Sorry, I do not own a 'wrong too'

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i think you under stand me though.
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lol troll much?
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