My Supercar Suspension Installed!

[Rob@WretchedMS]

do i really have to work on mustangs now?

[HeathB]

Mike, I want to thank you for the opportunity to meet you and your son and for allowing us to work on your beloved car!!!!
I am glad you like it!
Sorry for the late post as I have been busy but not working as late as we did on yours.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by mws444

Now that is how to distract me is with some test data that applies to my current set up! Cant wait for your settings advise!
About this testing, what was the drivers impressions of the Camaro? I know that other company has done a good job with what a solid rear axle can do, with Pedders in it I know it's about as good as it can get. When you do the heads up give us the drivers report.
Thanks in advance for the dial in on the coilovers!

I can do the driver's comparison now. The Camaro is a refined automobile. The Mustang is a fast car. The Camaro comes around in a corner and incrementally moves to the edge. The Solid axle 3 link Mustang just comes around. With refinement comes additional weight. That is where the Mustang has an advantage. The drivers would tell you the Mustang is fast and the Camaro a joy to drive. Then we get to times and we are in a dead heat.

The Mustang had braking issues due to pad compound that hurt performance. No one has tested a Saleen to this extreme. We'll work with Saleen to get those dialed in for the shoot out.

The Camaro had an experimental set of bars. What we are selling is better. The Camaro suffered from the bars we were playing with. We'll go back to the 27 and 32 that we sell right now for every day and the shoot out.

Both cars will be better the next time they are on track. I can't wait.

[mws444]

Originally Posted by HeathB

Mike, I want to thank you for the opportunity to meet you and your son and for allowing us to work on your beloved car!!!!
I am glad you like it!
Sorry for the late post as I have been busy but not working as late as we did on yours.

Heath, from what I saw of your work quality and dedication it is no wonder you are a very busy shop! Thanks for all your hard work! I will let everyone on the Texas side of this forum know just how good you are!

By the way....Good to see you Post up!
Sam, keep after him to post up every once in a while!

[mws444]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

I can do the driver's comparison now. The Camaro is a refined automobile. The Mustang is a fast car. The Camaro comes around in a corner and incrementally moves to the edge. The Solid axle 2 link Mustang just comes around. With refinement comes additional weight. That is where the Mustang has an advantage. The drivers would tell you the Mustang is fast and the Camaro a joy to drive. Then we get to times and we are in a dead heat.

The Mustang had braking issues due to pad compound that hurt performance. No one has tested a Saleen to this extreme. We'll work with Saleen to get those dialed in for the shoot out.

The Camaro had an experimental set of bars. What we are selling is better. The Camaro suffered from the bars we were playing with. We'll go back to the 27 and 32 that we sell right now for every day and the shoot out.

Both cars will be better the next time they are on track. I can't wait.

Look forward to reading it! What are the horsepower differences between them?

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by mws444

Look forward to reading it! What are the horsepower differences between them?

Mustang 430 RWHP Camaro 530 RWHP

[mws444]

Wow, must have been a really tight course. I know those pesky Rustangs handle pretty well, but the HP could'nt help the Camaro, it had to be a tight course.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by mws444

Wow, must have been a really tight course. I know those pesky Rustangs handle pretty well, but the HP could'nt help the Camaro, it had to be a tight course.

Gingerman is a great test track for a suspension company because it is tight, technical and rewards handling. 6, 7 and 10 are great and if you nail 10 the speed in the back straight with 11 in front of you -- the wall on your left in 11 begins to look like the Green Monster at Fenway.

[mws444]

I hate to say it but judging from the length of the strightaways, I would have to concede that the Rustang out handles the Camaro, but it makes up for its short comings with brute horsepower in the straights. So how am I doing on the analysis?

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by mws444

I hate to say it but judging from the length of the strightaways, I would have to concede that the Rustang out handles the Camaro, but it makes up for its short comings with brute horsepower in the straights. So how am I doing on the analysis?

You are doing well.

From an engineering perspective, our position is that we need to collect more data. We'll sort the brakes on the Brand X and go back to our production sway bars on the Camaro. This was a test day and we had variables in place that influenced the results. The next time out, the Brand X will have better brakes and the Camaro better balance. Both should be faster, but only one will be the fastest that day and it will be posted in this forum.

There is one other factor I should mention. The engine computer system in the Camaro has more controls in place regarding heat. That means with each lap the Camaro has a bit less power available, at least that is how it feels. We are looking at all those parameters and a safe way to preserve power as heat builds or if heat is actually building. The engine computer uses 'modeling' which essentially ignores the huge oil cooler and calculates oil temp as opposed to using the actual oil temp. It is that type of computer assumption we feel is causing the computer on the Camaro to reign in the tune. We could be wrong, but we'll know before we go back out on track.

As I said, we need more data.

[mws444]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

You are doing well.

From an engineering perspective, our position is that we need to collect more data. We'll sort the brakes on the Brand X and go back to our production sway bars on the Camaro. This was a test day and we had variables in place that influenced the results. The next time out, the Brand X will have better brakes and the Camaro better balance. Both should be faster, but only one will be the fastest that day and it will be posted in this forum.

There is one other factor I should mention. The engine computer system in the Camaro has more controls in place regarding heat. That means with each lap the Camaro has a bit less power available, at least that is how it feels. We are looking at all those parameters and a safe way to preserve power as heat builds or if heat is actually building. The engine computer uses 'modeling' which essentially ignores the huge oil cooler and calculates oil temp as opposed to using the actual oil temp. It is that type of computer assumption we feel is causing the computer on the Camaro to reign in the tune. We could be wrong, but we'll know before we go back out on track.

As I said, we need more data.

Give 'Ol Grahm at LPE a call I will bet he can shave quite a bit of the R&D time off of your quest on the computer in this car. The guy really is the genius when it comes to the electronics found in GM cars.

[Mr Twisty]

Grat's on the sweet car, MWS... You don't mess around!

[mws444]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

Grat's on the sweet car, MWS... You don't mess around!

Thanks! I figure if you're gonna do it.....
Now, if the accountant could find a way to claim the car as a dependent.

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by mws444

Thanks! I figure if you're gonna do it.....
Now, if the accountant could find a way to claim the car as a dependent.

If you had a speed shop you could write it off as advertising ... I wonder how much a speed shop costs?