Mustang V6 vs Camaro V6

[Stew]

Originally Posted by alrox

Those sales are still awful. All Chrysler sales are bad because they simply make poor cars. No refreshes will help them. They will be liquidated soon.

You really have no clue and are spouting BS just because ou don't like the company, sad........ Oh and I mistyped that is over 104000 units sold..........

[2010SLVRBULIT]

Is the v6 LS(w/ lighter 18" steelies), faster than the LT(19s) or RS(20s)?

[alrox]

Originally Posted by Stew

You really have no clue and are spouting BS just because ou don't like the company, sad........ Oh and I mistyped that is over 104000 units sold..........

America doesn't like the company. The majority of citizens were against bailing them out. Chrysler as a whole still has major money issues after walking away from their debts ("restructuring"). They have had major work stoppages on all lines because they can't pay their bills.

Challenger sales are pathetic compared to its competitors.

Contrary to what you say, they have 0 new products aside from rehashes of slow selling cars. The only worthwhile products they still make are the Viper, the Wrangler and the Ram. No one can afford a Viper in this economy and the Ram is just more white noise in a saturated Ford/Chevy truck market.

Some respectable company may buy parts of Jeep and possibly the Viper program, but Chrysler is on its deathbed. They have 0 chance to make any money in the forseeable future.

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by alrox

America doesn't like the company. The majority of citizens were against bailing them out. Chrysler as a whole still has major money issues after walking away from their debts ("restructuring"). They have had major work stoppages on all lines because they can't pay their bills.

Challenger sales are pathetic compared to its competitors.

Contrary to what you say, they have 0 new products aside from rehashes of slow selling cars. The only worthwhile products they still make are the Viper, the Wrangler and the Ram. No one can afford a Viper in this economy and the Ram is just more white noise in a saturated Ford/Chevy truck market.

Some respectable company may buy parts of Jeep and possibly the Viper program, but Chrysler is on its deathbed. They have 0 chance to make any money in the forseeable future.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

^wow, that's a horrible analogy. in no way is their music even close to being the same. at least the stang and camaro are in the same class...

No shit.

The point was sales does not always equal a good point.

My original point that he threw sales into the mix was that looks are subjective. Everyone can have a different opinion on them. Performance isn't.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by alrox

America doesn't like the company. The majority of citizens were against bailing them out. Chrysler as a whole still has major money issues after walking away from their debts ("restructuring"). They have had major work stoppages on all lines because they can't pay their bills.

Challenger sales are pathetic compared to its competitors.

Contrary to what you say, they have 0 new products aside from rehashes of slow selling cars. The only worthwhile products they still make are the Viper, the Wrangler and the Ram. No one can afford a Viper in this economy and the Ram is just more white noise in a saturated Ford/Chevy truck market.

Some respectable company may buy parts of Jeep and possibly the Viper program, but Chrysler is on its deathbed. They have 0 chance to make any money in the forseeable future.

You really have no clue. Where to start.............. They have already started hiring again, they are staffing back up. Read here:

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php...ffing-up-again


A little fact is that Chrysler is spending roughly 600 LESS than GM on incentives on each car it sells.

At 104000 untils for May they were in 4th or 5th (can't remember exactly) ahead of makers such as Nissan, VW, and I believe Honda

New Product: They are going to have 16 new or heavily refreshed models by the end of this this year, this includes but is not limited to: New 2011 Charger, 300, Challenger, Grand Cherokee, heavily refreshed Sebring and Avenger (new engines, new sheetmetal, new suspension, new interior), New interiors for almost every other vehicle (the weakspot in most of their vehicles). That is just the start and the major ones of course. The Charger, 300, Grand Cherokee, and even the Challenger are going to be hits. With everything from new interiors ot new engines (finally a competitive V6 and a 6.4 Hemi for the SRTs which a good source on CHallengertalk states should make at LEAST 500 HP.

The Challenger was NEVER meant to take on the Camaro and Mustang in sells, in fact they have basically been hitting their goal of 30000 a year. At around 3800 units sold last month, that is well above goal.

Like I said, they are improving, they have even paid back 1.9 billion of their federal loan, they will more than likely see profit by the end of this year. Each sales month is FAR surpassing the expoerts predictions, And if you say the puplic hates Chrysler, then I am sure they hate GM just as much...... Yet both are seeing large sales increases (please itterate to me how the public hates Chrysler again yet is buy more and more of their cars each month?).

Please, before you go stating something as fact based on biased opinion and nonexistant truths, think about it......

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by 2010SLVRBULIT

Is the v6 LS(w/ lighter 18" steelies), faster than the LT(19s) or RS(20s)?

I believe the 18" wheels are actually heavier than both the 19 and 20" rims.

[VASCAR2]

I have a 1LT with the polished aluminum wheels and with about 6 gallons of gas it weighed 3700 lbs. Gas weighs 5 to 6 pounds a gallon, say about 30 pounds less with an almost empty tank. My 1LT doesn't have the spare tire so I figure it is one of the lighter V-6 Camaros. When I weighed the car it was completely stock except for the extra floor mats. Has anyone weighed their 1LS? I figure if a Mustang V-6 had two people on board and full gas and I had 3 or 4 gallon it would be a drivers race on a road track. All the V6 mustangs come from the factory with a 118 MPH speed limiter whereas my 1LT with polished aluminum wheels has 155 MPH limiter. I'm still glad I bought my 1LT.

[67 GTO]

You can find the wheel weights in the Wiki page.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/wiki.p...WHEELS___TIRES

[alrox]

Originally Posted by Stew

You really have no clue. Where to start.............. They have already started hiring again, they are staffing back up. Read here:

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php...ffing-up-again

They fired 44,000 in the past 5 years. Your extremely biased source left out this little tidbit that the real news article didn't. "The company, which lost 40,000 jobs over the five years leading to last year's bankruptcy, is seeking to fill dozens of salaried financial, engineering and manufacturing jobs. "

Dozens.

Good Job Chyrsler!

Originally Posted by Stew

A little fact is that Chrysler is spending roughly 600 LESS than GM on incentives on each car it sells.

At 104000 untils for May they were in 4th or 5th (can't remember exactly) ahead of makers such as Nissan, VW, and I believe Honda

In February they sold 58% of their cars to fleet sales. This means the retail buying public is NOT buying Chrysler products. What % of May sales were fleet sales?

Originally Posted by Stew

New Product: They are going to have 16 new or heavily refreshed models by the end of this this year, this includes but is not limited to: New 2011 Charger, 300, Challenger, Grand Cherokee, heavily refreshed Sebring and Avenger (new engines, new sheetmetal, new suspension, new interior), New interiors for almost every other vehicle (the weakspot in most of their vehicles). That is just the start and the major ones of course. The Charger, 300, Grand Cherokee, and even the Challenger are going to be hits. With everything from new interiors ot new engines (finally a competitive V6 and a 6.4 Hemi for the SRTs which a good source on CHallengertalk states should make at LEAST 500 HP.

Charger=Rent-A-Car. 300=Vain and overpriced copycat of Charger. Challenger=beaten by their direct competitor Mustang/Camaro. Grand Cherokee=We don't need anymore SUV's. Sebring/Avenger=Rent-A-Car worthlessness. These cars will not be hits.

The SRT's appeal to us enthusiants who post on message boards, but they are not worth it if the base models doesn't sell.

Originally Posted by Stew

The Challenger was NEVER meant to take on the Camaro and Mustang in sells, in fact they have basically been hitting their goal of 30000 a year. At around 3800 units sold last month, that is well above goal.

False. It was meant to be a 100% competitor to the Mustang and Camaro. It failed. The sales numbers don't lie. They would have never made the car if they knew they would only sell 30000. It does not make financial sense to do so.

Originally Posted by Stew

Like I said, they are improving, they have even paid back 1.9 billion of their federal loan, they will more than likely see profit by the end of this year.

Where did that money come from? It wasn't from sales profits.

Originally Posted by Stew

Each sales month is FAR surpassing the expoerts predictions, And if you say the puplic hates Chrysler, then I am sure they hate GM just as much...... Yet both are seeing large sales increases (please itterate to me how the public hates Chrysler again yet is buy more and more of their cars each month?).

They are not real sales increases. They are still far, far down from their pre bubble peaks. They flat out lied during their bankruptcy hearings about their projected sales after bankruptcy. They will not make those #'s. Fiat will bail out of the deal and Chrysler will be dead in a few years.

[esperman]

Originally Posted by alrox

They fired 44,000 in the past 5 years. Your extremely biased source left out this little tidbit that the real news article didn't. "The company, which lost 40,000 jobs over the five years leading to last year's bankruptcy, is seeking to fill dozens of salaried financial, engineering and manufacturing jobs. "

Dozens.

Good Job Chyrsler!

In February they sold 58% of their cars to fleet sales. This means the retail buying public is NOT buying Chrysler products. What % of May sales were fleet sales?


Charger=Rent-A-Car. 300=Vain and overpriced copycat of Charger. Challenger=beaten by their direct competitor Mustang/Camaro. Grand Cherokee=We don't need anymore SUV's. Sebring/Avenger=Rent-A-Car worthlessness. These cars will not be hits.

The SRT's appeal to us enthusiants who post on message boards, but they are not worth it if the base models doesn't sell.


False. It was meant to be a 100% competitor to the Mustang and Camaro. It failed. The sales numbers don't lie. They would have never made the car if they knew they would only sell 30000. It does not make financial sense to do so.


Where did that money come from? It wasn't from sales profits.

They are not real sales increases. They are still far, far down from their pre bubble peaks. They flat out lied during their bankruptcy hearings about their projected sales after bankruptcy. They will not make those #'s. Fiat will bail out of the deal and Chrysler will be dead in a few years.

yup...Chrysler is only a shadow of it's former self...and other than the suv's....eventually will only be re badged Fiats...but I forsee that failing like Daimler did.

[2SSARMY]

If anyone really thinks that Chrysler is up there with GM and Ford right now, they need to be slapped a dozen times and brought back to reality.

It's the BIG 2 now... Chrysler is just going to self implode, sadly. Oh well, at least GM is still around and Ford won't let them get all lazy and stop making fast cars

[Stew]

Originally Posted by alrox

They fired 44,000 in the past 5 years. Your extremely biased source left out this little tidbit that the real news article didn't. "The company, which lost 40,000 jobs over the five years leading to last year's bankruptcy, is seeking to fill dozens of salaried financial, engineering and manufacturing jobs. "

Dozens.

Good Job Chyrsler!

In February they sold 58% of their cars to fleet sales. This means the retail buying public is NOT buying Chrysler products. What % of May sales were fleet sales?


Charger=Rent-A-Car. 300=Vain and overpriced copycat of Charger. Challenger=beaten by their direct competitor Mustang/Camaro. Grand Cherokee=We don't need anymore SUV's. Sebring/Avenger=Rent-A-Car worthlessness. These cars will not be hits.

The SRT's appeal to us enthusiants who post on message boards, but they are not worth it if the base models doesn't sell.


False. It was meant to be a 100% competitor to the Mustang and Camaro. It failed. The sales numbers don't lie. They would have never made the car if they knew they would only sell 30000. It does not make financial sense to do so.


Where did that money come from? It wasn't from sales profits.

They are not real sales increases. They are still far, far down from their pre bubble peaks. They flat out lied during their bankruptcy hearings about their projected sales after bankruptcy. They will not make those #'s. Fiat will bail out of the deal and Chrysler will be dead in a few years.

How many pwople did Ford and GM fire? i think you'll find that number as much or higher. I didn't even bother reading the rest of your post because it is biased anti-Chrysler crap. Get over it! It is going to take time to rebuild it, no doubt, but the future is BRIGHT.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

If anyone really thinks that Chrysler is up there with GM and Ford right now, they need to be slapped a dozen times and brought back to reality.

It's the BIG 2 now... Chrysler is just going to self implode, sadly. Oh well, at least GM is still around and Ford won't let them get all lazy and stop making fast cars

Wouldn't the big 2 be like Vw and Toyota? oops.....