Should There Be 2, 3, 4, Or More Camaro Levels?

[mikel441]

How about a V8 option for the LT?

[PQ]

If you're gonna count the 'Carbon' Vette as a trim, then put the Bumble Bee and Transformers editions in with the Camaro.

[Globemaster]

Originally Posted by PQ

If you're gonna count the 'Carbon' Vette as a trim, then put the Bumble Bee and Transformers editions in with the Camaro.

Don't forget the pace car and the synergy green 2010 where limited

[canadian ss]

We waited for this car to come into production just to beat it up and down because we aren't happy with it? GM needs to keep it simple right now. To involve many part suppliers for short run or special edition models isn't financially acceptable right now. Getting tired of reading about transforming the car into something other than a Camaro. Its beautiful the way it is. Customizing is fine to an extent. But, to make a traveling circus out of it is just sad. Alot are done tastefully and mild while others are OVERDONE and hideous. The car is perfect the way it is.:updown:

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by PQ

If you're gonna count the 'Carbon' Vette as a trim, then put the Bumble Bee and Transformers editions in with the Camaro.

These are just paint, stripes, and badges added to an SS or V6.
The carbon is almost a ZR1 with an LS7 instead of an LS9. Much more than a standard Z06!

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Globemaster

Don't forget the pace car and the synergy green 2010 where limited

These are just paint, stripes, and badges added to an SS or V6.
The carbon is almost ZR1 with an LS7 instead of an LS9. Much more than a standard Z06!
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[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by canadian ss

We waited for this car to come into production just to beat it up and down because we aren't happy with it? GM needs to keep it simple right now. To involve many part suppliers for short run or special edition models isn't financially acceptable right now. Getting tired of reading about transforming the car into something other than a Camaro. Its beautiful the way it is. Customizing is fine to an extent. But, to make a traveling circus out of it is just sad. Alot are done tastefully and mild while others are OVERDONE and hideous. The car is perfect the way it is.:updown:

No, it is selling at 100K units annually it should be more. That many buyers don't want to see the same car they bought constantly passing them by (many Camaro buyers like to stand out). Less buyers = less offerings, more buyers = more offerings. If the car is selling this well make a few changes or add another offering to provide more sizzle/fun to attract others. I guess you didn't read my previous post on suggested offerings.

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I'd have no problem with that, but the 427 is just a dream.

Being a car for the masses doesn't mean we all want the same car. Some want a luxo cruiser, drag car, track car, or even a super car. Why shouldn't GM capitalize on this by offering more? Most people don't go aftermarket, but want more. In my opinion the L/S and L/T are more option packages as are the 1 & 2 variants, They are not levels like LT verses SS. Now a V6 base and then a V6 track pack would be a better idea. Then a SS, GS-R (think SCCA SS track car), Z28, & Convertible (V6 base & SS). This works for the Vette.
Your idea of losing money is not realistic. Profits should increase as some would move up in their purchasing the next level, not spending their money on aftermarket as well as more cars sold.

It doesn't handle like a z28 because it doesn't have the suspension of a road course car. I meant it should have the SS motor and some tweaks.

Think about it though. Developing 8 different trim levels of camaros. GM hasn't even started making the money back off camaro sales for their development wastes.... And that's with cars that are practically the same damn thing. Imagine if they went and made 8 different cars how much time and money it would cost to develop them.

GM has to simplify things, not be stupid like they always are and complicate it.

Pretty soon they're going to make the LSr or some stupid thing with a 4 banger then a tt v6 then a tt v8 then a v10 then a v14 with a twin turbo jet engine. Leave it to GM to just ruin everything.

Simplicity is the key here.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

These are just paint, stripes, and badges added to an SS or V6.
The carbon is almost a ZR1 with an LS7 instead of an LS9. Much more than a standard Z06!

Is it a limited production?

[jtzako]

Id rather see 1 model of v6 with all the stuff being 'options' and same for the SS. (not counting vert options) I'd prefer to be able to mix and match options a bit more than we can now (i.e. leather seats and C&C package shouldnt be '2' model only)

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Frank in MD

I hate how GM releases this info before we know it....

Edit: Ah, right. Looks like they had spare parts hanging around from the ZR1, slapped them on a few zo6's to get rid of them, and called it a ltd edition carbon edition.

Pass.

Yeah, I mean its only the 2nd fastest and probably best handling car GM vehicle ever built. Pass indeed.

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

I agree, they should have made a base V8 and then an optioned up v8. Similar to the r/t chargers with the availability of other r/t options.

Umm ... isn't that the logic behind 1SS and 2SS?

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

It doesn't handle like a z28 because it doesn't have the suspension of a road course car. I meant it should have the SS motor and some tweaks.

Think about it though. Developing 8 different trim levels of camaros. GM hasn't even started making the money back off camaro sales for their development wastes.... And that's with cars that are practically the same damn thing. Imagine if they went and made 8 different cars how much time and money it would cost to develop them.

GM has to simplify things, not be stupid like they always are and complicate it.

Pretty soon they're going to make the LSr or some stupid thing with a 4 banger then a tt v6 then a tt v8 then a v10 then a v14 with a twin turbo jet engine. Leave it to GM to just ruin everything.

Simplicity is the key here.

I agree that they need to try and keep things simple, but the Camaro has probably more than paid for itself by now. I read a while ago that they're pulling in an average of something like $9000 more (revenue, not profit) than anticipated per car, largely because of the popularity of loaded 2SS/RS's. Add that to sales that are 50% higher than were estimated -with 0 incentives, and the result in a huge amount of extra money in their pocket compared to what would have been break even.

[daphatgrant]

Originally Posted by Brownhornitt

Agreed. The LS was originally going to have a tamer V6 engine that produced around 200 HP, and they were going to sell that under 20K. The Z28 is coming. Plus, the convertible is coming. So that would be around 5/6 levels. Makes sense to me.

LS
LT 1 and 2
LT 1 and 2 convertible
SS 1 and 2
SS 1 and 2 convertible
Z28

Looks right to me.

[98_Camaro]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

No, it is selling at 100K units annually it should be more. HASTY GENERALIZATION That many buyers don't want to see the same car they bought constantly passing them by (many Camaro buyers like to stand out). Less buyers = less offerings, more buyers = more offerings. If the car is selling this well make a few changes or add another offering to provide more sizzle/fun to attract others. I guess you didn't read my previous post on suggested offerings.

It's been out on the market for one year. To say that it sells 100k cars annually is only correct in the short term. We don't know how well it's going to perform in 2011; maybe GM will move only 50k units, maybe they'll move even more. Considering that annually implies data from a span longer than a year, it's too early to call.

[Lazerbrainz2k3]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

They shouldn't even have an LS/LT1/LT2, it should be LT, SS, z28. End of story.

Admittedly, I don't see a structural reason preventing the luxury options on the 2LT from being an options package for one overarching LT trim, either.

That said, I don't see what Chevy/GM really loses from offering a separate trim for luxury versions of the LT and SS, either. Whether you have all the current options or you have a V6 trim with a bunch of options, period, and a V8 trim with a bunch of options, period, at the end of the day the real difference between the two approaches comes down to hair-splitting semantics more than anything else.

In fact, depending on how you look at it we essentially have an LT/SS/Z28 system anyway, if you classify the trims by the only major difference between them - the powertrain. Maybe it's a bit more accounting and paperwork at the corporate level, but I doubt for Chevy to break the trims up into a couple more accessory sub-trims makes a serious difference to the consumer, to the engineers, on the factory floor, or on their bottom line.