The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[04Ram2500Hemi]

Originally Posted by wbt

Got a few here:

The Mustang is flat out amazing! You'll get no bashing from me when you stick with American Muscle. Both vehicles are sweet!

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Those folks specialize in handling around road courses and such, so that is where his point of view is coming from.

Us knuckledragging drag racers have different priorities.

Granted, we have a great focus on handling thru the twisties and such. But we also have a great amount of opportuniites for you straight liners to put down more rear torque a lot faster and with more control as well. Our Dragt Packages are very successful. Here is a first level drag Package from Pedders. We have 5 Packages for you pedal to the metal guys:

CAMARO DRAG I

Camaro Drag I



The Zeta II CAMARO Platform is an excellent beginning suspension package that can be greatly improved with the magic that Pedders has to offer. Wheel hop is an issue for the new Camaro and this kit eliminates 2 of the major causes of unwanted and un-needed movement. It also improves the strength of your OE front radius rod bushings, allows you to add 1 to 1.25 degrees of positive caster in the from, plus with the alignment kit, you will be able to get your rear tires to a more desirable camber for better tire grip. Additional Recommended Parts; PDUSAUPCAB


Item Code Description Qty
EP1167HD Zeta HD Differential Mounts 1
EP1201HD Camaro HD Rear Sub Frame Repl 1
EP6578 Camaro Fnt Radius Rod bush ins 1
PDUSACAMFULL Camaro Full Alignment Kit 1

Here is our 2nd level Drag Kit
CAMARO DRAG II

Camaro Drag II

This package is for the CAMARO owner who uses his CAMARO primarily for Drag Racing but still uses it for a daily driver. This kit offers all the critical rear bushings, and includes our most HD upgraded bushes for absolute rock bottom control, yet still have the street comfort for daily driving. It also improves the strength of your OE front radius rod bushings, allows you to add 1 to 1.25 degrees of positive caster in the from, plus with the alignment kit, you will be able to get your rear tires to a more desirable camber for better tire grip. You may want to add a set of front coils p/n 220032 that are better matched with the rear 220035 coils for a better street aggressive thru the twisties handling. Camaro Front Lowering Coils Part # 220032 Additional Recommended Parts; PDUSAUPCAB


Item Code Description Qty
220035 Camaro Rear Lowering Coils 2
EP1167HD Zeta HD Differential Mounts 1
EP1201HD Camaro HD Rear Sub Frame Repl 1
EP2112 Zeta Steering Rack/Pinion Mnt 1
EP6577 Camaro Front Radius Rod Bush 1
EP7264 Zeta Rear Lower Control Arm In 1
EP7322 Camaro Rear Upper Control Arm 1
EP7323 Zeta Rear Trailing ArmToe Link 4
PDUSACAMFULL Camaro Full Alignment Kit


Here is the ultimate kit that will let you set the dampers to 70/30 front and 30/70 rear

CAMAROJUSTICE RC

Camaro Justice Drag



"The Justice Pete Package will include all the suspension components that assisted him taking 7 seconds off the lap time of a stock SS2 at Gingerman Raceway. Properly setup with a SCCA or NASA certified driver, will produce the perfect handling package for the track. The initial Justice Package came with our off the charts great Pedders eXtreme Xa Coil Overs. They are very hard to beat!. But we did. The Justice Pete Camaro now has our large Remote Reservoir, high pressure, 6mm larger valves with dual detent adjustable Coil Overs. These are VERY SERIOUS COILOVERS that offer eXtreme flexibility. The Track eXtreme combines all the components of the Street II and adds extremely Aggressive Track Sway bars, all bushes with all of our most HD options, 4 adjustable Endlinks and our new Pedders Remote Canister eXtreme Coilovers. With the virtual pivot point design and the advanced independent rear suspension your tracked Camaro does not need to be over sprung and over damped. In complete OE trim it will out perform many respected marquees. With a Track II eXtreme System your ZETA II Camaro is ""this close"" to race ready and yet still street comfortable. This is where GM's multi billion dollar investment in the ZETA architecture reaches levels of performance that are as aggressive as the Camaro styling. You really can have it all. Drive to the track in performance comfort, Click to max Performance, and Play to the Max!. CLICK, TUNE, PLAY! The look; The handling; The comfort! A Pedderised Camaro offers it all! Your Pedderised ZETA II Camaro will dominate the market. " SCCA T2 Legal Additional Recommended Parts; PDUSAUPCAB

Item Code Description Qty
164086 SportsRyder Supercar Coilover 1
EP1167HD Zeta HD Differential Mounts 1
EP1201HD Camaro HD Rear Sub Frame Repl 1
EP2112 Zeta Steering Rack/Pinion Mnt 1
EP6577 Camaro Front Radius Rod Bush 1
EP7264 Zeta Rear Lower Control Arm In 1
EP7322 Camaro Rear Upper Control Arm 1
EP7323 Zeta Rear Trailing ArmToe Link 4
PDUSACAM2800 Camaro Complete Brake Hose Kit 1
PDUSACAMFULL Camaro Full Alignment Kit 1



So we can seriously assist all of you in in your 60 foot reduction times, and putting down more torque and hp in a much more cost effective way than adding more hp.

thanks
mike
dms

[WadeWilson]

Originally Posted by 04Ram2500Hemi

The Mustang is flat out amazing! You'll get no bashing from me when you stick with American Muscle. Both vehicles are sweet!

[MEDISIN]

@IPSjeff, what was the dyno difference for the 5.0 from 87 to 93 octane? I realize there was some break-in that occurred during this time frame but curious if there was a significant change in power?

Very nice power overall and peak TQ came at a lower RPM than I expected.

[IPSjeff]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

@IPSjeff, what was the dyno difference for the 5.0 from 87 to 93 octane? I realize there was some break-in that occurred during this time frame but curious if there was a significant change in power?

Very nice power overall and peak TQ came at a lower RPM than I expected.

It picked up 6rwhp *Peak* but in some spots it was much greater than that. I will post up a graph of the 87-octane Vs the 93-octane to show the differences
Jeff

[Bob Cosby]

This is some very good data (1/4 mile times...eh...different story, but thanks for posting anyway).

Interesting that the power has a "dip" between 4600 & 5200 rpm. Wonder if that is the variable cam timing making some changes in that rpm range. Bet a tune could do some good there.

Thanks - again, very good info.
Bob

[Bob Cosby]

Cool. How about a live axle swap kit?

[IPSjeff]

Here is the 93-octane Vs 87-octane graphs:

[Bob Cosby]

WOW! The difference between 4000 and 6500 rpm is quite substantial - looks to be over 20 RWHP in some places. Have to ask - was the car at about the same operating temperature for both displayed passes? Reason I'm asking is an attempt to eliminate as many possible variables/reasons for there to be a difference.

As for peak....I wouldn't be surprised if the computer is pulling timing out above a certain rpm no matter what fuel is in the car.

Thanks!
Bob

[IPS Brandon]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

This is some very good data (1/4 mile times...eh...different story, but thanks for posting anyway).

Interesting that the power has a "dip" between 4600 & 5200 rpm. Wonder if that is the variable cam timing making some changes in that rpm range. Bet a tune could do some good there.

Thanks - again, very good info.
Bob

Tuning alone is good for about 26 whp. on a stock car (taking an average)

Also as for the dyno comparisons, ambient temperatures and humidity were with in 4% of one another, so not much change there, and then the car was at 100% operating temperature each test.

Regards

[Bob Cosby]

Thank you - that helps. And yes, I have been keeping tabs on what kind of power gains are coming from tuning (on Mustang Forums...fancy that....lol).

I know I'm a broken record...but thanks again.
Bob

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by EnvyTerra

Yes actually, Put 30lb rear brake rotors on and see if it doesn't affect your quarter mile times lol

I didn't realize that the 4th Gen F-bodies came stock with 30 pound rotors. I could have sworn they were much lighter than that.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Cool. How about a live axle swap kit?

I have for development both a Camaro and Mustang. I would not swap out the IRS for a three arm live axle. You lose so much in ride quality and handling on anything but glass smooth roads. The Camaro IRS can be set up to perform well at the drag strip. It is also fair to say that the Mustang out of the box is better on the drag strip. We are working with a very well respected Mustang tuner and his drag car. It i torquing over so hard as it lifts the front wheels that we can't get a full throttle run.

A solid rear axle may be easier to dial in for the strip, but they still need to be dialed in.

[Bob Cosby]

My post was a bit 'tongue in cheek', but ok, and to each their own, of course. I've done just a weeeeeeeeee bit of drag racing, so I do ask that you keep my obvious bias in mind when reading my posts.

FYI....for 99+ Cobras, live axle swaps are VERY common (and very easy). I did it with both my 99 and later my 04. Both daily drivers (26 miles to work each way, every day, mix city/highway). I'm sure the ride wasn't as good as with the IRS, but it wasn't so horrible that it made any significant difference to me, and the benefits (again, for me) far outweighed the downsides. For the road racing crowd, it is obviously a different story.

As you said of course the live axle must be dialed in. But once you do, it is cheaper, lighter, more efficient, and stronger than the IRS. All that stuff is great for us drag racers, but I totally get it that I'm in the minority, and again, to each their own.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Bob