370Z and Camaro SS

[Speeyuk]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

Funny how I raced a Red nismo about two months ago and ran circles around it.

My 13.3 is at a reputably horrible track. Give me a good track and I'll run circles around the Nismo all day bud. My R/T is extremely good. I don't think I have been beat off the line in the last 3 weeks I've gone out to the track. So bring me a nismo and let me run circles around it.

I've run at the track he's speakin of, Thunder Valley. I've seen cars lose up to a second off their normal time. So, while 14.7 looks horrible when you've seen Z's at other locations running mid 13's - high 12's, you have to consider the track, DA, driver, etc. You hit a competitive time at that track, you've got some skills.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by HeHasReturned

Haha, no...It runs low 13's and could run circles around a stock v6 maro because of weight, grip, and handling. If you want to talk mods, let's throw some fi on the z and let's see who's laughing then

I'll take that bet.....




your point????

Modded cars Vs Modded Cars =

Guys please stop taking shots at each other....

At some point agree to disagree...

I'm not gonna waste a bunch of time handing out infractions.



I'm not sure what it is about this 370z comparison that gets people fired up.... There are a few OLD threads on this topic...

anyway... Me personally, I don't see these two cars as competitors..... For me there are too many differences.... But I guess the numbers make them viable options to the same crowd...

[ssump29]

Since they want to do the math the power/weight still is win win over the Nismo. Nismo weights 3300 and has 350hp and 276tq. Tq sucks on that car. Camaro 3849 weigh and 426hp and 420tq. Nismo power/weight equal 9.428571429hp 11.95652174tq, camaro is 9.035211268hp and 9.164285714tq.

So the nismo off the line don't even stand a chance when both are launched properly let along does it have the high end hp to catch the SS. Nismo stands no chance buddy.

[green man]

Wow, don't think this was intended to be a race thread. There's a lot more to cars than speed and regardless of lap times there's a completely deifferent feel to cars when one weighs 600 pounds less. The Z is pulling 1+g's off the lot and at 3200 pounds with 330 hp it feels insanely quick. No matter what you do to the Camaro it will never be as tossable, just plain ol physics...

Knock Nisaan all you want but they are the only car company that actually came out with a redesign that was more powerfull AND lighter. That's unheard of in this day and age. I don't understand why you guys get all butthurt any time someone mentions a Z car...

[SS 376]

Trying to get this thread back on track...

I cross-shopped the 370Z and the SS.

Pros for the SS
LS3
4 seats
awesome styling
Cheaper
Great straight line speed
Made in North America if that means anything to you

Cons for the SS
Big dimensions
Not the best handling

Pros of the 370Z
Excellent handling
Nicer interior
Synchromesh transmission
Slightly better fuel economy

Cons of the 370Z
Buzzy engine
slower than the SS in a straight line
no back seat
Very expensive to modify
horrible styling in my opinion
Significantly higher price with options

Chose the SS. The only thing that could've possibly swayed me to the Z was if it had a turbo engine. But make your own decision.

[Maurdib]

I'll say this, it may be faster then then my 2LT, but for that price for a V6, I could've got the SS and still saved money

[HeHasReturned]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

Modded cars Vs Modded Cars =

That was sort of my point

[Z/28orSs]

for all the nay sayers please read this http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87749
and this http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ond_short_take

[OverZeaLouS]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

Don't you mean 330 hp V6?

edit: nvm you said nismo. but didn't that only get like a 10 hp boost? also its alot slower than it is supposed to be considering it ran seconds behind the camaro around a couple of tracks

Here let me help out here.
Infiniti G37 is the 330hp @ 7000rpm with 270lbs tq @ 5200rpm
0-60 in 4.9sec (automatic) 5.2sec(manual) quarter mile is 13.4 sec top speed 155mph. .91g without sport package .94g
Apprx weight 3600lbs.

Nissan 370z is 332hp 270lbs tq 5200rpm
0-60 is 4.6 for automatic 4.8 for manual quarter is 13.1/13.3man top spd 155. 95g without sprt pkg .98g with sprt pkg. Approx weight 3270lbs.

370z nismo. 350hp @ 7200rpm 276lbs tq @ 5400rpm 0-60 in 4.5 seconds quarter in 13.0 sec(manual only) top speed 157mph .99g approx weight is 3400 lbs.

People tend to confuse the numbers since all 3 carry the same exact engine. All carry similar power but due to size weight. And varied performance packages. Each car has its own characteristic that is very different from each other.

All these cars are extremely cpable and extremely fun. I own the first of the 3. Have driven all except the NISMO. The driving experience is totally different from the camaro. Both are fun but hit totally hit different parts of the brain. The Z is like formula1 and the camaro is like NASCAR. Both exciting but for totally different reasons.
I've cross-shopped all these cars. I went with the G as a compromise between a Z and camaro. But I'm strongly considering trading my G for a 2011 camaro SS and buying a Z as well. As a true enthusiast, its hard having just a gt or just a true sports car or just a muscle car. All hit certain spots. If you are a real driver who maneuvers with great skill. A Z will suit your adrenaline rush needs. If you are a cruiser who rockets occasionally on the highway, but still appreciates a good handling car, then the camaro is for you. If ur a lil bit of both go for a G37 or even a genesis coupe. But if u have the extra funds. Go with a Z and camaro. You can't go wrong.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by OverZeaLouS

Here let me help out here.
Infiniti G37 is the 330hp @ 7000rpm with 270lbs tq @ 5200rpm
0-60 in 4.9sec (automatic) 5.2sec(manual) quarter mile is 13.4 sec top speed 155mph. .91g without sport package .94g
Apprx weight 3600lbs.

Nissan 370z is 332hp 270lbs tq 5200rpm
0-60 is 4.6 for automatic 4.8 for manual quarter is 13.1/13.3man top spd 155. 95g without sprt pkg .98g with sprt pkg. Approx weight 3270lbs.

370z nismo. 350hp @ 7200rpm 276lbs tq @ 5400rpm 0-60 in 4.5 seconds quarter in 13.0 sec(manual only) top speed 157mph .99g approx weight is 3400 lbs.

People tend to confuse the numbers since all 3 carry the same exact engine. All carry similar power but due to size weight. And varied performance packages. Each car has its own characteristic that is very different from each other.

All these cars are extremely cpable and extremely fun. I own the first of the 3. Have driven all except the NISMO. The driving experience is totally different from the camaro. Both are fun but hit totally hit different parts of the brain. The Z is like formula1 and the camaro is like NASCAR. Both exciting but for totally different reasons.
I've cross-shopped all these cars. I went with the G as a compromise between a Z and camaro. But I'm strongly considering trading my G for a 2011 camaro SS and buying a Z as well. As a true enthusiast, its hard having just a gt or just a true sports car or just a muscle car. All hit certain spots. If you are a real driver who maneuvers with great skill. A Z will suit your adrenaline rush needs. If you are a cruiser who rockets occasionally on the highway, but still appreciates a good handling car, then the camaro is for you. If ur a lil bit of both go for a G37 or even a genesis coupe. But if u have the extra funds. Go with a Z and camaro. You can't go wrong.

lol actually i test drove all three as well, SS 370z and G37. i went with the mustang as i felt it had the best characteristics of all 3 at a cheaper price.

[OverZeaLouS]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

Have you ever even raced? Saying an SS vs 370z is a drivers race is pretty damn funny.... Stop doing your little ricer math and get to the track and see reality please. You have little to no clue what you are talking about.

"Omg I read on the internets that the 370z has like 360horsepowers and weights likes 30lbs and da camaro haz 400 horsepower and weights like 5000lbs so I thinks the 370z has this because i did math in my heads !!!!!

Dude ur dreaming or you are totally BS'ing my G37 ran the quarter in 13.5 sec on my first track run. Now, with jic susp, tsw 19x8.5, 19x10r on ventus v12 injen cai FI hfc/exhaust no headers yet and a tune I run 12.7 to 12.9 easy on average. I can't imagine a Z running slower than my G stock or with a tune. And yes it is a drivers race. This is why.

The NISMO is a manual, therefore it is up to the driver to harness the power to keep up with you. A NISMO, with a semi pro driver will put down 13 seconds on a track. With a proper tune. Alone without further mods, the Nismo will put down wat my G pulls and with the same mods it will eat my G37s coupe easily.
So driver skill is a huge part of it especially if he is not a seasoned manual driver. Another thing. You can have a nismo but if you don't order that oil cooler and u been on a track all day ur losing power after 30 min. What was that NISMO'S condition when you raced it???
Lastly the advantage a Z has over a camaro is the 550lb difference between a base+sport Z and a !SS camaro or the 400 lb difference between a NISMO and 1ss camaro. What a Z lacks in HP is gets back in weight and handling. U can get a aftermarket suspension to run circles around a Z but what happens when a Z runs an aftermarket suspension as well?
What happens when someone decides to gut everything out of a Z and puts in racing seats and he's 2500lbs. You can do this all day. So keep it stock or mild mods to be fair.

I'm not knocking a Z or a camaro. Both awesome cars. But you gotta look @ things as a realist not a loyalist.

2SS army your posts are always so one sided. Its like ur always saying the world is flat even the the classroom has a globe on the teachers desk.

[OverZeaLouS]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

lol actually i test drove all three as well, SS 370z and G37. i went with the mustang as i felt it had the best characteristics of all 3 at a cheaper price.

Kool... I just can't do 30k+ for a live axle from way back when. Plus the interior in a mustang is totally blaaaahhhhhh in my opinion. I know what I'm saying is purely subjective... but its my opinion only and I'm not factualizing my statements. I rented a GT for a weekend n it rained hard during the night. From that point I knew I wouldn't buy a mustang. The mustang is great on the track but its a twichy daily driver. Don't care for em

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by OverZeaLouS

Dude ur dreaming or you are totally BS'ing my G37 ran the quarter in 13.5 sec on my first track run. Now, with jic susp, tsw 19x8.5, 19x10r on ventus v12 injen cai FI hfc/exhaust no headers yet and a tune I run 12.7 to 12.9 easy on average. I can't imagine a Z running slower than my G stock or with a tune. And yes it is a drivers race. This is why.

The NISMO is a manual, therefore it is up to the driver to harness the power to keep up with you. A NISMO, with a semi pro driver will put down 13 seconds on a track. With a proper tune. Alone without further mods, the Nismo will put down wat my G pulls and with the same mods it will eat my G37s coupe easily.
So driver skill is a huge part of it especially if he is not a seasoned manual driver. Another thing. You can have a nismo but if you don't order that oil cooler and u been on a track all day ur losing power after 30 min. What was that NISMO'S condition when you raced it???
Lastly the advantage a Z has over a camaro is the 550lb difference between a base+sport Z and a !SS camaro or the 400 lb difference between a NISMO and 1ss camaro. What a Z lacks in HP is gets back in weight and handling. U can get a aftermarket suspension to run circles around a Z but what happens when a Z runs an aftermarket suspension as well?
What happens when someone decides to gut everything out of a Z and puts in racing seats and he's 2500lbs. You can do this all day. So keep it stock or mild mods to be fair.

I'm not knocking a Z or a camaro. Both awesome cars. But you gotta look @ things as a realist not a loyalist.

2SS army your posts are always so one sided. Its like ur always saying the world is flat even the the classroom has a globe on the teachers desk.

One sided? Dude I go to the track every single week. I have more track runs than most people here I'm willing to bet. I abuse the hell out of my SS and get to go up against LOTS of different cars.

I have run G37s, G35s, 370z nismo, 370z, 350z, vettes, skyline gtr, supras, roushes, gt500s, gts, and the list goes on and on.

I'm being one sided because the SS dominates the Z in the 1/4 mile. I have gone up against numerous ones. A red nismo 370z and I destroyed it. I beat a 370z last week running low octane fuel, trapping at 100mph. I beat regular 350z by a second. I mean come out to the track as much as I do and you'll see what people really run.

I go to a horrible track, so times are very skewed, but you still get an idea. If i'm running bad, and he's running bad, and I'm still beating him, imagine what would happen with my glory run. The SS has enormous potential for the quarter mile. We see 14s and then we see 12.8s from the L99s. With a simple tune you are in the 12s easily if you can drive. The engine is just fantastic but restricted to hell.

I would like to see your g37s run at my track. I bet you'd lose at least 3-5tenths of a second.

[Georgie]

SS for sure