Shouldn't we be comparing this to the new Mustangs?

[Brokinarrow]

Though now I am curious if the weaker Mustang engines will even compete with the Camaro on the MPG front... anyone got any stats for that?

[SS One]

The '09 Mustang gets 15 city, 22-23 highway. I doubt that the 2010 will do much better.

[Max]

With a superchager and 3:73 gears im getting 23 mpg highway.thats not bad for a 427 hp car.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by Max

With a superchager and 3:73 gears im getting 23 mpg highway.thats not bad for a 427 hp car.

I'm getting the same with my GT500 on the highway making 650rwhp and 3.73 gears. With bigger displacement, to boot.

[MerF]

Originally Posted by syr74

I corrected this info before Ford released the figures, I just couldn't do it publically so I pm'd a mod more or less because I knew it would bring out the fanbois every forum unfortunately suffers from.

Like I said, at the time I made the statement it was accurate

Wow, that's some mighty fine backpedaling.

Actually no...no it wasn't. That was some pretty lame backpedaling. At least be man enough to admit that you put too much faith in the Oval without any facts.

I mean seriously, you expect us to be believe you had a source so solid that 2 weeks ago you KNEW that Ford was going to compete with the Camaro next year, but you didn't know it was canceled until just now?

Oh wait, FoMoCo changed their entire strategy overnight. Because that is far more believable.

[StuMac]

Originally Posted by jesserayjames

Saw the unvieling of the new muatang last night, very diappointed. Ford didn't even have
the sense to change the rear suspension to independent.

When I was researching the mustang as training wheels for my eventual Camaro (I've only driven fwd cars until last year and didn't want my first rwd car to be over 400 hp) I found an overall resistance to the IRS setup. It seems people got turned off the IRS with the Cobra, where they tried to squeeze the IRS into the same place as their solid axle to save money. It ran horribly, and now every time you bring up an IRS in a Mustang forum, they say "keep that PoS out of my car" or "not worth the price increase". Ford is simply listening to their fans and building accordingly, that is all.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by StuMac

When I was researching the mustang as training wheels for my eventual Camaro (I've only driven fwd cars until last year and didn't want my first rwd car to be over 400 hp) I found an overall resistance to the IRS setup. It seems people got turned off the IRS with the Cobra, where they tried to squeeze the IRS into the same place as their solid axle to save money. It ran horribly, and now every time you bring up an IRS in a Mustang forum, they say "keep that PoS out of my car" or "not worth the price increase". Ford is simply listening to their fans and building accordingly, that is all.

There is truth to this, at least the part of the Ford contingent that drag races their Mustangs. IRS is still the better setup for a road course and everyday driving. Personally, I feel like you should be offered your choice, but the beancounters are not going to let that happen.

[Brokinarrow]

Ok, answered my own question lol:
V6 V8
Fuel Economy 17 City/26 Hwy With Manual 15 City/23 Hwy With Manual
For the 2009 mustang. Though the V6 has the same HP as the 2010 does so I doubt those numbers will be changing. Sooo less power, somewhat similar gas mileage? yeah, Camaro ftw!

[Justcallme61]

Originally Posted by syr74

IIRC, and I am virtually vertain that I do, at one point FBodfather made a comment that the SS Camaro would start below 30k

Even if Scott had said that, it shouldn't be taken as fact as I'm pretty sure Scott doesn't decide prices.

[MerF]

Originally Posted by Justcallme61

Even if Scott had said that, it shouldn't be taken as fact as I'm pretty sure Scott doesn't decide prices.

But I'm pretty sure he's shoulder to shoulder with the committee that does.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

Not really. The original numbers being talked about before pricing was announced was around $29.8-$29.9k, that's only a $300 increase.

Yes small plans can change suddenly without telling the public but a change in plans on which motor and drive train they are using doesn't. Changes such as these take a long time to actually implement and can't be changed on a whim. syr74 is simply using that as an excuse to cover the fact that he was talking out of his a$$ and didn't know what he was talking about.

Remember those fanbois I was talking about? You know, it's a shame too. To be blunt these are the kinds of guys who give particular brands a bad name, more concerned with trying to look right than with trying to be right. The saddest part of all is that they don't learn anything in the process.

Reminds me of the last time I went to the Buick National's in Bowling Green. I was filling up my car at a fuel station not far from the Drury Inn where I was staying and noticed a gorgeous GNX filling on the other side. I struck up a conversation, quickly discovering that this was a real, street driven GNX which gave me enormous respect for the guy, only to be interrupted by part of the local Corvette mafia. Included in the mix were a C5 Z06, a C4 ZR1, and a couple of other 'plain jane' cars.

At first I thought they might be as enamored as I was, but that impression was quickly fixed and these guys promptly started trashing the guy and his car....had I not been there I honestly wonder if they might not have gotten just a little physical, they were that obnoxious. I was amazed, two brands of muscle...but both were GM....and here are the Corvette guys effectively eating their own if we are talking about this from a corporate standpoint.

More or less the same here. I've addressed this issue already, the motor employed in the 2010 Mustang GT did not change.....the hp rating they applied to it did. Whether the engine genuinely underperformed during SAE certification or if Ford simply decided that the high rating was pushing it too hard I cannot say. It is pretty obvious that your hot button is simply that you don't want to believe me which leaves no time or reasoning for whether or not you actually believe me.

Frankly, makes no difference to me either way. There are always people like you on every fansite, I knew i would run into them here just like everywhere else.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by MerF

Wow, that's some mighty fine backpedaling.

Actually no...no it wasn't. That was some pretty lame backpedaling. At least be man enough to admit that you put too much faith in the Oval without any facts.

I mean seriously, you expect us to be believe you had a source so solid that 2 weeks ago you KNEW that Ford was going to compete with the Camaro next year, but you didn't know it was canceled until just now?

Oh wait, FoMoCo changed their entire strategy overnight. Because that is far more believable.

What exactly was cancelled aince your thread is a bit hard to follow? It isn't hard to see that this is another one like the above. I already stated in this thread (and had previously done so eslewhere) that the engine itself isn't different, just the hp rating. Why feel the need to genuinely go to excess and start talking about changing strategies overnight....were talking about a 10-15hp ratings difference not swapping a DOHC V8 for a pushrod V6

And what exactly was cancelled? The 5.0L was and is on schedule for 2011.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Justcallme61

And speaking of Ford's new 5.0, I couldn't help but research a little and found that it costs more than an LS7! Hmm, LS7, or Ford...anything. Sorry, I couldn't resist. But seriously, the site says 14,995.00 for the 5.0 crate engine.
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Wow, You know, seriously...and I am applying this to the flamers in general... feel free to continue on with the ranting at will but for the love of Pete please actually read the posts before doing so. The 5.0L Cammer Ford offers in crate form is effectively a homologation piece and is not the 5.0L slated for 2011MY production and I have never said that it was. In fact, it isn't even close to the same with the basic basis for the engines being different. The 5.0L Cammer is based on an overbored 4.6L while the upcoming 5.0L production piece is based on a destroked, and slightly poked, 5.4L.

[StoutFiles]

Frankly, makes no difference to me either way. There are always people like you on every fansite, I knew i would run into them here just like everywhere else.

Translation: Damn, I was wrong...and after all those people I insulted because I thought I was going to be right! Instead of just admitting it and moving on with my life, I will now insult everyone who brings up how wrong I was! Surely that will keep me as a credible, respected source!

Is your main defense here that Ford WAS going to do something different? If Bill tells me he's going to pick two apples and then I tell Tom that Bill is going to pick up two apples, and then Bill comes back with one apple, I was wrong...wrong to assume that Bill would pick two. I said there would be two apples and now there is one apple. The definition of that would be wrong. You were wrong. You could never have been right because Ford picked differently. You were WRONG. End of story.