Not entirely new: '11 SRT8 possibly up to 480 horse

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by SSC Super Venom

I would take a GT500 over the Grand Sport anyways. It feels like it has more history to it. I had one in the late 80's. Sure it was a little outdated but I loved every minute of it. Thats why I bought the GT cause it was half the price and was almost as fast as the '10 GT500.

The Shelby dress up kit on late 60's 428 Cobra Jet Mustangs is much more historical than the race cars driven by Roger Penske and A.J Foyt in the early 60's.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

My favorite part.

I didn't see that one coming...

Considering they're not really even close in price, how can they be measured against one another? I could never figure that out. I don't even think a comparison to the GS is fair, because they're not even the same car type. Two seater against a four seater. Pure sports car against a pony car. I don't see the reasoning. Believe me that I'm not trying to take anything away from the GT500, because, frankly, I think it's a great car on so many levels, but it's just not the same.

JMVHO.

Originally Posted by SSC Super Venom

I would take a GT500 over the Grand Sport anyways. It feels like it has more history to it. I had one in the late 80's. Sure it was a little outdated but I loved every minute of it. Thats why I bought the GT cause it was half the price and was almost as fast as the '10 GT500.

Wait... So, you're telling me a GT500 has more history than a Grand Sport?... I don't recall exactly when Shelby started making, even AC Cobras (what, like '64 or '65 or something) but hasn't Grand Sport, at least in race form, been around since like '64? Regardless, when did the GT500 even originally appear anyways? If nothing else, history-wise, I'd personally say that one has much more of a "history" over the other.

I think it's a bit of a shame if Dodge doesn't bring the Challey' more into this fight. I dont' have a doubt it doesn't have the potential; I know the engine certainly does, and it sounds like the chassis is every bit as capable. I think it does great the way it is now, but I really think they need to get on the gas more.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by radz28

I didn't see that one coming...

Considering they're not really even close in price, how can they be measured against one another? I could never figure that out. I don't even think a comparison to the GS is fair, because they're not even the same car type. Two seater against a four seater. Pure sports car against a pony car. I don't see the reasoning. Believe me that I'm not trying to take anything away from the GT500, because, frankly, I think it's a great car on so many levels, but it's just not the same.

JMVHO.

I agree that you can't really compare the SS to the GT500. And I also agree that comparing a pony car to a Corvette is just as asinine.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I agree that you can't really compare the SS to the GT500. And I also agree that comparing a pony car to a Corvette is just as asinine.

Do you know what I'd like to see Ford do? Bring back the GT... Them would be fighting words, then!!! It's too bad there's no Viper At least we're not seeing these cars die off. I swear, five years ago, I really didn't think we'd see a ZR1, or GT500, now, let alone Camaro and even Challenger! I just want to see the best from all these companies. It makes for better cars for us

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

So, would you say that a Camaro SS with 4:10's, tune, intake, and exhaust would only be 0.1s faster in the 1/4? Because thats probably the rough equivalent to the changes being made to the SRT8's.

Not sure what you're asking, but if you put a Camaro SS with those mods up against a 480hp Challenger, I'd say the modded Camaro would win by a bigger margin than 0.1 sec imo.

Hell, that SMS Challenger with the supercharged 5.7 Hemi only ran a 12.8 in the 1/4. And it had alot more than 480hp.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Not sure what you're asking, but if you put a Camaro SS with those mods up against a 480hp Challenger, I'd say the modded Camaro would win by a bigger margin than 0.1 sec imo.

Hell, that SMS Challenger with the supercharged 5.7 Hemi only ran a 12.8 in the 1/4. And it had alot more than 480hp.

IMHO - Putting a SRT8 Challenger with 480 horse' against a proposed mod'd SS from earlier is going to be a close race. About 60 horse' increases for each car are probably going to be close to what we see now.

As far as that SMS car - I bet MOST of that is driver. There's no reason, so long as the claims are accurate, that that car shouldn't be a lot quicker than that report. Most reviewers don't power shift, or drive with a prep'd surface, along with a quick burnout and all the other little things we do to get the best times possible. Also, the videos I've seen of that car were absolutely crappy driving. So much hop - just not a lot of real control over the car. That kind of car needs to have sticky tires to start with. That test did as much justice to that car as many rags' posting high 12-second 1320' times for the older GT500s... I call total BS on those tests

[1bad65]

Even if you discount the SMS Challenger tests, I'd still bet on a stock 5th Gen Camaro SS over a 480hp Challenger.

[2010 2-Tone]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Even if you discount the SMS Challenger tests, I'd still bet on a stock 5th Gen Camaro SS over a 480hp Challenger.

I agree 100% for several reasons which I stated in eariler post in this thread.

[mjf6866]

that sms challenger puts out 500 hp and 500 tq. pretty sad performance numbers for that much power.

funny thing is, for as expensive as that car is, you can do some very basic mods to a current SRT challenger and surpass those numbers without spending near that. hell, even basic mods to auto R/Ts are acheiving the same level of straight line performance. a guy over on the challenger boards posted a video of his auto R/T with DR's and an MBRP cat back running 12.8!

SMS needs to do a little more research on what they put on cars to make them worth the price tag instead of just slapping on a supercharger and bright paint job.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Even if you discount the SMS Challenger tests, I'd still bet on a stock 5th Gen Camaro SS over a 480hp Challenger.

Don't know how you get that. The 11 Challenger should be a much improved beast over the current model, and the current model is really close to the SS as is.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by mjf6866

that sms challenger puts out 500 hp and 500 tq. pretty sad performance numbers for that much power.

funny thing is, for as expensive as that car is, you can do some very basic mods to a current SRT challenger and surpass those numbers without spending near that. hell, even basic mods to auto R/Ts are acheiving the same level of straight line performance. a guy over on the challenger boards posted a video of his auto R/T with DR's and an MBRP cat back running 12.8!

SMS needs to do a little more research on what they put on cars to make them worth the price tag instead of just slapping on a supercharger and bright paint job.

I agree, i read that article and my jaw at just how shoddy their work was.

[SSC Super Venom]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I agree that you can't really compare the SS to the GT500. And I also agree that comparing a pony car to a Corvette is just as asinine.

No... I said that I feel like it had more history to it. I am a Ford and a Chevy guy but I am no doubt more Ford now just because there are more options in the pony car world. They made the Mustang before the baby boom for customzation and they were targeted at "teenagers"

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by Stew

Don't know how you get that. The 11 Challenger should be a much improved beast over the current model, and the current model is really close to the SS as is.

Mainly it's because of the weight and launching issues. Adding 50hp to a 4000lb+ car is just not the same as adding 50hp to a 3500lb car.

Also, I've always been more impressed with the R/Ts than the SRTs in terms of drag racing. I don't know why this is, maybe the suspension on the SRT is actually worse for straight line performance.

We can't tell street racing stories, but suffice it to say the most impressed I've been with a Challenger I myself have had experience with was an R/T with just a CAI/tune. That, and the Challenger forums I've visited have shown timeslips that make me more impressed with the R/T than the SRT.

[SSC Super Venom]

Originally Posted by wbt

Dodge is still missing the boat in comparison with the GT500. The 2011 GT500 is rated at 550HP, is lighter, and will run circles around the 6.4/8 speed auto if this is indeed what is to be released.

IMO what should have happened:

• R/T gets the 6.1 from the outgoing SRT8; 5.7 is dropped; price remains the same.
• SRT8 gets a 6.4 525+HP motor and improved suspension to compete with the GT500 and Z/28. Pricing is in-line with the GT500 and Z/28.

Don't get too crazy it hasen't been confirmed that there will be a Z/28. Back in the day the SRT-8 was the Shelby's Dominance. What happened??? And I do agree with your pricing and options on the rest of the models no doubt. Since when was a 45,000k car meant to compete with a 30-35k car?