The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by meanmike

One of our local dealers had signs all over their lot saying 20/200,000 they were even advertising on the radio. Either way 10 is still more than 5.

There is a dealer in Ga with a 20 year 200,000 mile warranty.

http://www.i95toyota.com/20yr----200...e-warranty.htm

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

Thats cool, the Camaro has this. Easily making 650HP and with the 6.2L's displacement I'm guessing whole hell of a lot more torque than the Mustang. Let the battle begin!





GM Performance Part’s all new LS9 Supercharger Package has been spotted! The leaked digital image below shows the new LS9 Supercharger Package, which can be installed on all LS engines with LS3 heads, including the motor in the Camaro SS. The LS9 Supercharger Package is powered by a Roots style supercharger and comes with upgraded intercooler kit, and gasket set.

The kit is not yet officially announced and is not yet on the GMP website, but LSXTV reports that the part # is 19244103 and is a live (orderable) part.

According to LSXTV, the LS9 Supercharger Package is already in stock and should be officially announced within the week. Expect no less than 650hp’s with this kit, if combined with the correct drive system and LS9 internals.

* For L99 Camaro owners - this may be installed on your motors since the LS3 and L99 motors share the same heads. All you have to do is delete AFM and VVT (basically an LS3 conversion).

Pricing has been quoted at $7,500.

According to LSXTV, the LS9 Supercharger Package is already in stock and should be officially announced within the week. Expect no less than 650hp’s with this kit, if combined with the correct drive system and LS9 internals.
you guys keep forgetting the LS3 or any other stock motor has limits...

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

What's the big deal

Crowley's sig says 600 RWHP with a blower and some simple mods.

No internal work to get more HP at the tire than Ford is offering at the crank.

I do not understand what the boogle is with some of you, the LS3 is a stout engine to begin with...why do you blue oval guys treat it like it's a second rate pile of sh*t?

because YOU insist on saying the coyote is a piece of ****. "the rods are weak, and will push through the block at 425rwhp"....you remember that quote from YOU? the motors are equal, but different. insisting otherwise is in the face of facts is well..... 10psi coyote turbo power is far higher and surviving so far. no numbers on the 10 psi, but its not hard to figure. 542rwhp at 6 psi......interpolate a little. 6 psi gained 170rwhp over stock. expect 250+ rwhp over stock. 625rwhp. in that range.


Im thinking 624hp supercharger kit is more than 425rwhp, and the warranty kit is also.

[assasinator]

beating up on imports instead of each other is what we should be doing. here we are fighting over .1-.3 in 1/4 mile times with the greatest muscle cars yet. we own the streets. time to make Ricer-Boy pay.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by assasinator

because YOU insist on saying the coyote is a piece of shit. "the rods are weak, and will push through the block at 425rwhp"....you remember that quote from YOU? the motors are equal, but different. insisting otherwise is in the face of facts is well..... 10psi coyote turbo power is far higher and surviving so far. no numbers on the 10 psi, but its not hard to figure. 542rwhp at 6 psi......interpolate a little. 6 psi gained 170rwhp over stock. expect 250+ rwhp over stock. 625rwhp. in that range.


Im thinking 624hp supercharger kit is more than 425rwhp, and the warranty kit is also.

I sure do remember that one....difference is I'm not, nor have EVER said the coyote is a piece of shit. I read several articles ( From Ford mags ) presented to me here at work by the blue oval crew about the new 5.0. All I was doing was repeating what I read....that the rods were going to be the same limiting factor as before.

Coyote was just rolled out, lots to be proven in that engine yet...time will tell. Not saying it's junk, but let's sit back a while and see what happens. Maybe time will prove the rod statements wrong.

However the LSX platform is PROVEN over a long period of time, yet some of the Ford leg humpers think it's second fiddle to the coyote. Any engine that can produce 600 RWHP without being cracked open hardly should be considered second rate.

As far as the last line goes.....I think Ford knows the limits of the internals, hence no warranty with the 624hp.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by TaylorRyan74

That color hurts my eyes. But thats awesome that the Mustang can keep up with an M3...that being said I would still take the M3.

The M3 is a great car, not clear if it is a great value vs. the GT\GT500\SS
BASE PRICE $60,575(M3)

[assasinator]

apologies for the profanity.


i also thought the LS3 would be at least 20rwhp ahead in bolt on state.

my background is similar to the LS3/chevy thought process. i ALWAYS backed the big torque middle rpm drag motors.

look back to the superstock 1968 428CJ cars. way down on power, but won a championship. they had monster torque.

im a believer that low end wins races. ET the next guy, and let him run all the MPH/rpms he wants. win the first 300feet and let him sweat catching me. i have a weak, but clear example.

the 5.4 3v i used to run was pretty weak by todays standards, but was competitive against a lot of cars. it was a 277rwhp/340 rwtq car when everyone else had little torque. put a car or two off the line and hold it.


ive had to change a little because the coyote is not that type of animal. it has to be geared to hell. but oh, my when it is, its very quick.


the camaro has that low end advantage. quit complaining and get the 330ft win. 3.73's, drivetrain to take 6k drops, tire / suspension to hook, get the front tires off the ground. stock.

if i had a 2010SS
1. 175/200 inch/lb front springs
2. adjustable shocks
3. height adjustable rear control arms
4. 3.73's
5. maximum tires

i would not be losing to coyote's at the track. weight or not. you guys are not putting down the power you have, so quit looking for more and run the ET's your motor already has.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by assasinator

apologies for the profanity.

It's all good man...don't sweat it.

[chain777]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

You guys have a supercharger. We have a supercharger. I have no doubt that these kits are both good kits that will lead to great performance. I do, however, doubt that anyone springing for these kits will be stock. Look at the whole package.

Does a GMPP Camaro beat a Ford Racing Mustang after everything has been installed?

Let's take this even further. Does it matter? You Ford guys over here will come up with an explanation for increased power, but don't forget that your powertrain warranty is shorter than ours for good reason. The build quality of a car can be determined both by how powerful you can make it without breaking and by how long it rides at that level of performance. Testing has led to higher warranty standards at GM because the products are designed to last longer.

Of course, you won't agree. That's why you drive Mustangs. They are good cars. I can't fault you for having the good taste to buy a decent American product. I just wonder why so much emphasis is placed on spreading Mustang gospel on a clearly Camaro website. We won't be buying this kit here, so I wonder why so many of you today have chosen to advertise a kit made for our competitors.

I don't have to drive a Mustang to disagree with you. I just have to understand marketing. Warranties are a marketing tool, not an indicator of quality. Just look at the quality ratings vs. warranties.

The average driver puts 12,000 miles/year on a car. In 5 years, that's 60,000 miles. So for the average driver, the warranties on GM's and Fords are giving the same benefit. Only in a small percentage of people that drive substantially over the average will the extra 40,000 miles matter. But the powertrain is less likely to fail than the rest of the components, where the basic bumper-to-bumper warranty takes over. There, where it matters most, the warranties are similar from all the auto manufacturers.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by assasinator

i would not be losing to coyote's at the track. weight or not. you guys are not putting down the power you have, so quit looking for more and run the ET's your motor already has.

WINNER! I've been thinking the exact same thing myself...........granted my car hasn't been tuned, but I was unhappy with the results at the track..and all due to the 1st 60' feet. No gripes on the big end, but the launch/60' times need fixing!

[eggydoo]

Friend has an m3....the 4.0 v8, isn't really that impressive in my opinion, until you hit high revs in the car.

Edit: and one big rape by a cobra is making him reconsider his car

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by Blue Maro Demon

And you are wrong about the Z/28 not being faster than the Shelby YES IT WILL BE look at the pics they are testing it on the track right now against the 2011 Shelby and beating it.

The rest of the post is pointless, but this line made me laugh.

If I took a picture of my Challenger ahead of a Ford GT on a track..would that be me beating it? You dont know the conditions, the purpose or anything of that nature of the picture. You dont know if the GT500 had stopped, if it was intentionally going slow or anything of that type of info.

Jumping up and down claiming the position of a Camaro on a track, in this case, means less than nothing.

Also, Ford has openly stated the next generation Mustang is going to be lighter, they're aiming for a 3,300 lb bench mark. Ford has unvieled their next generation small-block (the new 5.0) and it has room to grow (adding DI for example). Their new V6 also isnt a DI so it has potential too.

Chevy has great plans coming with their new small blocks and I cant wait to see what the next few years bring. I am HAPPY Ford brought a superior car to the market now, as it will force GM and Mopar to improve their own designs. Competition makes all breeds stronger.

You should be happy that the new Mustang is so good, better in many ways than the new Camaro. Not because it makes your car a bit lower on the ladder (which it does, mine too)..but because it is going to make the next MY Camaro's or the next generation even better than the fantastic current Camaro.

[TaylorRyanSS]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

The M3 is a great car, not clear if it is a great value vs. the GT\GT500\SS
BASE PRICE $60,575(M3)

Yeah but I have always been more of a european car fan, its just the price that always gets in the way of me buying one lol

[bigearl]

So this has degenerated into the EXACT same argument as every other thread that mentions Mustangs.

I think we just need a summary page you can cut&paste with all the pros and cons of each car- then you can just cut and paste the summary and lock the thread. It'd save a lot of time.