My LLT engine is blown on my 2LT, any recommendations?

[Camarodriver]

Originally Posted by Caspers2SSRS

I'm a bit confused as to how the sun roofed Camaro's which ( the sunroof ) itself is higher up (Glass and sliding blind is closer to the sheet metal in the roof) takes head room away. At 6 ' 6" and surely a torso longer than anyone 4"-6 shorter", I've got at least 3" clearance from the crown of my skull to the headliner in a sunroof optioned Gen5.

Oh! ..............and Camarodriver Good luck with the engine work................

caspers, nice stripe job on that SW Camaro! Very distinctive and nasty!

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[Camarodriver]

This is a cross post to finish my story on the two threads that were started, for anyone that wanted to know how this was turning out.

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Well I went to pickup the car after the repair was finally done. I have not seen the car in three weeks and it was indeed a sight for sore eyes... You could look at that car with no engine under the hood and she would still be beautiful! ( call me biased )

I inspected her in and out, the dealer had cleaned it nicely I must admit. I popped the hood open, took a look around the engine bay and all seemed fine and in place. I fired it up, listening for sounds, but only heard normal whirrings and the fresh lack of the tack tack tack that had caused me to bring her in.

I goosed it a bit and went first to the front then rear to listen and, well, smell the exhaust ( yeah, you read right ) for anything odd. Keep in mind the engine was fully disassembled and put back together with a bunch of new parts. All seemed fine and I got into the car after thanking the service clerk.

The car was in the last bay of the garage and the clerk started closing all the other garage doors, it was Friday at 5pm after all, and I got the message and I slowly drove right in front of the garage door As he closed it behind me. Oddly enough, a buddy called me just then to ask if I had the car back yet and it came over the Bluetooth.

Just then the check engine light came on!!! I couldn't believe it! I went right back in but the service clerk had just left out the back door! I went in to the sales areas telling them that this had just happened when a sales man looked at the Camaro RIGHT in front of the service door and I said yes, I am picking it UP from service! Damn! The receptionist that had taken my payment for the oil service I had performed while it was all apart told me to wait until Monday....aaaargh!

It drove fine enough on the way home, but I was fuming all the way... When I got home I parked it in my driveway, turned it off and thought for a moment about, well, a lot of stuff... Then I had to move it to another spot and started it up to do so. The engine turned over like it was in January, all slow and "chuggy" but it did start...like my old VW Rabbit with 20/50 grade oil in the crankcase in the dead of winter, but it did start up and I moved the car. I then tried to start it again twice and it started up perfectly.

I have since driven it again to run errands and it drives fine and all the power is back and it handles fine. It did that chuggy start one more time tonight, two startups of six were bad, the other four were fine.

I will do more driving, testing and reporting what occurs in over the next few days. The check engine light is still on and I will bring the car in Monday as I am sure the service manager will want to talk to me after the voicemail I left for him minutes after I picked the car up... I was civil, but really, really let down...

I have not revised this post, sorry for my spelllin mistekes.

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I edited it after all, this iPad keeps thinking about what is proper spelling ....

[v6sonoma]

That stinks man. Hopefully the chugging and check engine light is just a dirty MAF sensor from the teardown. Keep us posted.

[TJ91]

honestly after all that, with the time of not having your car, i would make some serious calls to gm to have an entire engine swap or to have a lemon and get a new Camaro. I know after the tranny incident with my car, i was pretty pissed with the service i got and it made me regret buying the camaro. Then i got her back and realized how much i love the car. The only thing i hate about my car is her reliability, i have all kinds of things not working in the camaro. Oh well, but in your i would fight for a new car or an engine swap. Im going to read through your thread to see if you got an entire brand new engine or just your engine rebuilt

[TJ91]

Looks like you said your engine was rebuilt. Honestly your car should not run like that, imagine how shell be years down the road. Fight for a new engine or a new Camaro especially because of the time lost with your car. I would be PISSED if my car started up that way. Sorry to hear about your troubles, damn camaro, why did she have to look and drive soo great lol

[Camarodriver]

Tj91, I felt the same when I picked her up, I really missed her and not only for the looks, but the way she drives! it's a great car! So much like my second Gen. Camaro, but better.

I was totally blown away that this happened at all! It is driving fine, but a couple of times it started " tight " which may be normal settling time again. They did change the crank, connecting rods and many other parts, so it is partly a new engine.

I will drive it today and perhaps take pix and ids to show y'all. I cannot tell you how great it is to be able to share my story and get all of your feedback!

More soon,
eB

[nascarnate326]

I would be soooooo pissed.


At this point though, what can you really do?

I would contact Scott S and see if he can help you in any way. If you are the ONLY LLT with issues, seems like they would go out of their way to make your case right.

Do they know this is all on the internet?

[dragon2368]

What do you do at this point???

Simple.....
Drive the holy $%#! out of it till you take it back on Monday.

[Camarodriver]

A quick update on my situation, the car is driving and driving mostly just fine. It seems to have more power than ever before and pulls better than ever! This leads me to believe that the issue was present from the very beginning and now has just finally been put together right. So you would think that I should be happy, right? Well two things...

Firstly, the engine startup up 4 out of 5 times fine, but on that fifth time, it churns over slowly, like it's a cold winter morning. It sounds "tight" and not smoothly assembled. This concerns me greatly, as it tells me things still just ain't right. I am confident now, 'cause I still have a warrantee, but I am not at all confident in it's long term viability. I don't want to have to pay for another engine drop when the warrantee is up.

Secondly, ( goodly English, eh? ) I have been in touch with a higher up at GM Canada ( thanks entirely because of the great Fbodfather, Scott Settlemire) who is looking into things as my history with the car has been spotty from the get go. They may offer me a fair trade in against another Camaro. This is where I am torn and am considering the SS.

I really need to know if the 18" Heritage steelies will fit on the newest SS cars with the Brembo brakes. I know the early cars had those little weights on the Brembos that would rub on 18" wheels, do the new cars also rub on them? Has anyone got them to fit? I have a set for winter driving and would like to use them. This is a big point as I already have the tires and wheels. Also, I am currently comparing and contrasting the differences between the 2LT and the 2SS and would really like people to help me make the decision. It's over $10,000 more money but if GM sees my pain and would like to make things right, I have this one opportunity now that I have their attention.

Anyone?

This!

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[v6sonoma]

The "skate wheels" that replaced the wheel weights actually stick out a little more than the weights. Even still I don't believe the 18" wheels would fit. If you bought the steel wheels for the winter and have the RS wheels you could always trade it in with the steel wheels and get some winter rubber for the 20's.

[caverman]

Originally Posted by v6sonoma

The "skate wheels" that replaced the wheel weights actually stick out a little more than the weights. Even still I don't believe the 18" wheels would fit. If you bought the steel wheels for the winter and have the RS wheels you could always trade it in with the steel wheels and get some winter rubber for the 20's.

+1

Trade it back in with the winter tires, keep your 20" and look at getting winter tires for that.

I personally love having an SS but there are things to consider for your situation. You'll have to use premium gas and you'll probably spend more money on mods for the SS than you would on an LT.

However, in the long run there is a resonable chance you would be more happy with the SS.

As you know there is nothing wrong with the LT so it's going to be up to you to make that decision. When I was initially looking at Camaros I was going to go with the 2LT but now I'm glad I pulled the trigger on the 2SS and I"m loving every minute of it.

[Thrillz]

I am really disappointed how they have treated you. I sure hope some of the higher ups read this story and make it right. I support GM all the time but they should have given you a good amount for a trade in for a new camaro or a new engine period. I have bought a lot of Gm cars over the years but if this is how they treated me after all those years of loyalty that would have been a deal breaker for me. I have built Toyota cars for 13 years and still bought Gm cars if that's not loyalty i don't know what the hell is. Imo if they wont give you fair value or a new engine sell it privately and get a new car.

[rolnslo]

Take the deal from GM. Get out of that V6 while you can. Honestly, the cost differences between owning a V6 and V8 are small overall. They are trying to help you out, so work with them. Obviously your current car isn't what you deserve and they know it.

As for the 18" steel wheels, they still won't fit an SS. Just sell them to someone on here and get some cheap 19" or 20" wheels to use instead. Worst case, just buy some 20" snow tires to get you through this winter and then figure out what to do for wheels next year.

[camarorick]

Originally Posted by Camarodriver

A quick update on my situation, the car is driving and driving mostly just fine. It seems to have more power than ever before and pulls better than ever! This leads me to believe that the issue was present from the very beginning and now has just finally been put together right. So you would think that I should be happy, right? Well two things...

Firstly, the engine startup up 4 out of 5 times fine, but on that fifth time, it churns over slowly, like it's a cold winter morning. It sounds "tight" and not smoothly assembled. This concerns me greatly, as it tells me things still just ain't right. I am confident now, 'cause I still have a warrantee, but I am not at all confident in it's long term viability. I don't want to have to pay for another engine drop when the warrantee is up.

Secondly, ( goodly English, eh? ) I have been in touch with a higher up at GM Canada ( thanks entirely because of the great Fbodfather, Scott Settlemire) who is looking into things as my history with the car has been spotty from the get go. They may offer me a fair trade in against another Camaro. This is where I am torn and am considering the SS.

I really need to know if the 18" Heritage steelies will fit on the newest SS cars with the Brembo brakes. I know the early cars had those little weights on the Brembos that would rub on 18" wheels, do the new cars also rub on them? Has anyone got them to fit? I have a set for winter driving and would like to use them. This is a big point as I already have the tires and wheels. Also, I am currently comparing and contrasting the differences between the 2LT and the 2SS and would really like people to help me make the decision. It's over $10,000 more money but if GM sees my pain and would like to make things right, I have this one opportunity now that I have their attention.

Anyone?

This!

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Hey Eric ! The $10,000 difference, is that for trading up to a 2LT, or the 2SS ?... 'cause if its for the 2SS, I'd go for it

P.S. Come to our Friday night meet in Laval !!

Edit.... Thought you were driving a LS....... DEFINITELY GO WITH THE SS