2011/2012 Camaro Z28 LSA Engine and Hood Design Revealed!

[CrimsonHowitzer]

Originally Posted by Raven87

Anyone compare the expectations of this new 'Z/28' versus an SLP ZL575?

IF Chevrolet can bring in comparable horsepower and overall performance for less money than a ZL - WITH the same quality including painted stripes and suspension work - that would be awesome.

Here's hoping...

That's what I'm waiting for... Money in hand waiting for the official specs on the Z/28. That day will result in the purchase of either the SLP ZL585 or a Z/28. That's why I'm so anxious for the official numbers. The Z/28 needs to be slightly lighter, better brakes, better handling and near 600hp. Oh and if I get the Z/28 the front fascia and hood will be for sale immediately, ugly!

[BLUESMOKE69]

Originally Posted by Blizzard

I still hope this isn't the Z28. I hope that GM names this the ZL1 and has the Z28 take on the Boss 302

I'm with you!!

[stand-al0ne]

nice! I like.

[jdsmith807]

Originally Posted by Blizzard
I still hope this isn't the Z28. I hope that GM names this the ZL1 and has the Z28 take on the Boss 302

I'm with you!!
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[JusticePete]

Lighter vehicles are not necessarily better. I posted videos and pictures of the 5th Gen along with the Mustang GT crash test videos. Tale a look at how the two compare and then decide how much lighter you want your next Camaro to be.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103552

I look forward to your responses.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by jdsmith807

Originally Posted by Blizzard
I still hope this isn't the Z28. I hope that GM names this the ZL1 and has the Z28 take on the Boss 302

I'm with you!!

I don't disagree with this, but, I seriously don't see that happening. Perhaps if CAMARO was as re-established and as strong as the "other car" , we could see more models. I don't see this happening until the next generation as long as sales are strong. I COULD see some Z28 suspension bits trickling to SS with a bump in power, but it's going to be hard to manage that mass. Who knows though - some of these tuner suspension companies are doing outstanding things with CAMARO, so

[radz28]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Lighter vehicles are not necessarily better. I posted videos and pictures of the 5th Gen along with the Mustang GT crash test videos. Tale a look at how the two compare and then decide how much lighter you want your next Camaro to be.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103552

I look forward to your responses.

Maybe it's just me, but it looks like the frontal was stiffer on CAMARO. I was torn on the side impact, but I maintain my position on my post earlier

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by radz28

I don't disagree with this, but, I seriously don't see that happening. Perhaps if CAMARO was as re-established and as strong as the "other car" , we could see more models. I don't see this happening until the next generation as long as sales are strong. I COULD see some Z28 suspension bits trickling to SS with a bump in power, but it's going to be hard to manage that mass. Who knows though - some of these tuner suspension companies are doing outstanding things with CAMARO, so

Some of the mass is exactly why the 5th Gen handles so well. The monocoque is one of the strongest made by any company. With a robust chassis the suspension parts work better because there is so little flex. While the live axle on the Mustang does reduce weight, so does the shorter front sub-frame. The Camaro has a six bolt sub-frame that continues past the radiator. The Mustang has a four bolt sub-frame than ends just past the front 'axles'. You can see the difference in the front crash test in the two cars. I have not stripped and weighed the two sub-frames, but I'll guess there is 25 to 30 pounds difference with the Mustang being lighter.

In my perfect world, the 6th Gen is reduced in size no more than 10%, but more components are made of special light weight steel or aluminum to shed some weight. The issue with that strategy is the special materials will increase the cost.

As far as the next edition of the 5th Gen in higher performance mode my guess is the weight will increase. It starts with bigger brake calipers and continues on. More engine HP means more RWHP. Do they add HD style half-shafts? If they due they just added weight. If they do a titanium exhaust to reduce weight they just added cost.

I have no idea what GM will do, but my GUESS is we are looking at a Z28 that will sticker about 50K and be close in weight to the current car. The performance will be on par with anything Ford has to offer -- until Ford responds to the new Camaro...

[radz28]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Some of the mass is exactly why the 5th Gen handles so well. The monocoque is one of the strongest made by any company. With a robust chassis the suspension parts work better because there is so little flex. While the live axle on the Mustang does reduce weight, so does the shorter front sub-frame. The Camaro has a six bolt sub-frame that continues past the radiator. The Mustang has a four bolt sub-frame than ends just past the front 'axles'. You can see the difference in the front crash test in the two cars. I have not stripped and weighed the two sub-frames, but I'll guess there is 25 to 30 pounds difference with the Mustang being lighter.

In my perfect world, the 6th Gen is reduced in size no more than 10%, but more components are made of special light weight steel or aluminum to shed some weight. The issue with that strategy is the special materials will increase the cost.

As far as the next edition of the 5th Gen in higher performance mode my guess is the weight will increase. It starts with bigger brake calipers and continues on. More engine HP means more RWHP. Do they add HD style half-shafts? If they due they just added weight. If they do a titanium exhaust to reduce weight they just added cost.

I have no idea what GM will do, but my GUESS is we are looking at a Z28 that will sticker about 50K and be close in weight to the current car. The performance will be on par with anything Ford has to offer -- until Ford responds to the new Camaro...

BINGO!

[91Z28350]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Some of the mass is exactly why the 5th Gen handles so well. The monocoque is one of the strongest made by any company. With a robust chassis the suspension parts work better because there is so little flex. While the live axle on the Mustang does reduce weight, so does the shorter front sub-frame. The Camaro has a six bolt sub-frame that continues past the radiator. The Mustang has a four bolt sub-frame than ends just past the front 'axles'. You can see the difference in the front crash test in the two cars. I have not stripped and weighed the two sub-frames, but I'll guess there is 25 to 30 pounds difference with the Mustang being lighter.

In my perfect world, the 6th Gen is reduced in size no more than 10%, but more components are made of special light weight steel or aluminum to shed some weight. The issue with that strategy is the special materials will increase the cost.

As far as the next edition of the 5th Gen in higher performance mode my guess is the weight will increase. It starts with bigger brake calipers and continues on. More engine HP means more RWHP. Do they add HD style half-shafts? If they due they just added weight. If they do a titanium exhaust to reduce weight they just added cost.

I have no idea what GM will do, but my GUESS is we are looking at a Z28 that will sticker about 50K and be close in weight to the current car. The performance will be on par with anything Ford has to offer -- until Ford responds to the new Camaro...

My guess, uniformed as it may be, is that the Z/28 will weigh in at 3900-4000 lbs, and perform slightly better than the CTS-V.

[GotMeSOM]

slightly better? srsly??

[91Z28350]

Yeah seriously, the CTS-V does 11.9-12.1 in the quarter. The Z06 does 11.6-11.8 (average I have seen higher and slightly lower times in mags, my only frame of reference since I have driven, but never raced a Z06) . Are you thinking it will do significantly better than the CTS-V? CTS-V did, if I remember correctly, 7:59 at the 'ring, A pretty respectable time. Z28 should be able to beat that (provided it weighs less/has a tighter suspension tune), by how much I have no clue.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by 91Z28350

Yeah seriously, the CTS-V does 11.9-12.1 in the quarter. The Z06 does 11.6-11.8 (average I have seen higher and slightly lower times in mags, my only frame of reference since I have driven, but never raced a Z06) . Are you thinking it will do significantly better than the CTS-V? CTS-V did, if I remember correctly, 7:59 at the 'ring, A pretty respectable time. Z28 should be able to beat that (provided it weighs less/has a tighter suspension tune), by how much I have no clue.

I think if it pulls acceleration times similar to CTS-V, that will be really good. I'm not sure what 'Ring times the GT500 runs (if it's even been there), but so long as they're similar, I'd be happy with that too. It's easy to say I want it significantly better in all aspects, but that costs a lot more money and I just don't know if the performance would justify the costs.

[91Z28350]

I don't disagree. I think (hope)it will be a fantastic performer, on par with the CTS-V/GT500, hopefully even better.

Maybe I misunderstood GotMeSOM, but it seemed as though he thinks it will significantly out-perform the CTS-V. While that would be nice, I don't think it will. Again speculation on my part.