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Old 10-05-2010, 08:18 AM   #337
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sweet pics!

i'm diggin' the toyota too!
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Old 10-05-2010, 10:39 AM   #338
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The 4.6L that was in the Mustang has been around since the early '90's and was in a bunch of different cars and trucks, they needed an updated version for the Mustang and other platforms.........so yes they have been working on a 4.6 replacement since well before the Camaro.

Besides the ponycars there is the US truck/suv segment and Australian performance market to worry about, plus the Vettes.
If the Mustang/Camaro weren't around these engines still would be.
So they were working on the 5.0 before the 4-valve, GT 5.4, Cobra R 5.4, three valve, and whatever other variants that I've forgotten? Sure. 5.0 has been in development for a decade
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Old 10-05-2010, 10:43 AM   #339
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wasn't the 5.0 released earlier than ford wanted because of Camaro sales? I still wonder why they would redesign the body and then one year later release an all new engine. I'm sure that made more than a few 2010 Mustang buyers fell shafted
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Old 10-05-2010, 11:23 AM   #340
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From looking at the hood design and to some degree the facia, I hope that this is not going to be considerd as a serious option. I fully understand that this is only the desgin test phase for the Z28 but this needs more work and exploration. I really liked the artists' concept that came out last year (attached). The hood design would allow for direct airflow into the engine compartment, which if combined with a dispersal system under the hood would help to keep the engine bay cooler. The front facia on this desgin still needs some work, but I think that this would be a great look for the Z28.
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Old 10-05-2010, 11:32 AM   #341
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how come they keep putting the indianapolis speedway emblem on them???
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Old 10-05-2010, 11:59 AM   #342
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Old 10-05-2010, 03:51 PM   #343
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sweet pics!

i'm diggin' the toyota too!
Lol wut?
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Old 10-05-2010, 05:08 PM   #344
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how come they keep putting the indianapolis speedway emblem on them???
My guess is it is a recycled pace car being used for development?
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Old 10-05-2010, 05:32 PM   #345
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I'm still waiting for an explanation on how GM is #2. performance isn't all that matters when it comes to what position. look at the 4th gen camaro's. whooped up on that GT ass all the way up till the 2011 models. cobra's don't count. they aren't regular GT's. Sales are what matters. if the 4th gens sales weren't so poor the camaro wouldn't have went on hiatus.

since the camaro hit dealers lots it has out sold the mustang all but what 1 month? sorry the mustang is #2 right now. currently it's a drivers race on the track.

GM has just gotten back in the game. give them a few years and they'll develop a good aftermarket performance market.
I am basing my opinion on who is on top off of overall performance and factory support.

Testing results by pro drivers for magazines and the internet don't mean much to me.
I test drove 2 new 5.0 GT's before I ordered my Camaro, I can assure you that in my opinion I did not buy the faster car, I bought the better looking, better handling car.
The Mustang definitely felt like it got off the line quicker, accelerated quicker, and shifted better.

GM really is only back in the Camaro game, performance has been there all along with the Vettes and they easily could make the Camaro destroy the Mustang if they wanted to......they haven't yet.
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Old 10-05-2010, 05:42 PM   #346
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So they were working on the 5.0 before the 4-valve, GT 5.4, Cobra R 5.4, three valve, and whatever other variants that I've forgotten? Sure. 5.0 has been in development for a decade
The Coyote 5.0 was spotted in test mules back in early '07, so they were working on it in late '06 at the very least, if not well before.
I have no idea when they originally came up with the design, I did believe it was well before the current Camaro but, perhaps it was along the same timeline if the Camaro was truly to be a reality in '06 and not just a teaser to gauge interest.
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The Coyote 5.0 was spotted in test mules back in early '07, so they were working on it in late '06 at the very least, if not well before.
I have no idea when they originally came up with the design, I did believe it was well before the current Camaro but, perhaps it was along the same timeline if the Camaro was truly to be a reality in '06 and not just a teaser to gauge interest.
It sounds like it's about the same to me. Still - this subject belongs in a different part of the Forum
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wasn't the 5.0 released earlier than ford wanted because of Camaro sales? I still wonder why they would redesign the body and then one year later release an all new engine. I'm sure that made more than a few 2010 Mustang buyers fell shafted
Actually you kinda answered your own question, the answer is "No".
They intended for it to be released with the update and it didn't make it for whatever reason.
I can easily imagine how painful that has been to not only the 2010 GT purchasers but, also Ford, as if you noticed they had to have very deep discounts on whatever '10 GT's were still on dealer lots when the '11 GT was coming out that I doubt they made very much off of them and it really seems to be their only stumble, although a big one, in the current ponycar war.
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Not a big fan of the wheels...assume they will be finished production look?
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Old 10-05-2010, 10:42 PM   #350
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Not a big fan of the wheels...assume they will be finished production look?
Those are probably just placeholders similar in size and weight to what the Z28 will actually come with.
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