A few quick thoughts on the March 16th startup to calm people down...

[JJ2010]

I was at the V.A. beach car show yesterday and it took me 10 minutes to convince the three people showing the 2lt rs that it was not a 2SS/RS.That is not good.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by Jarvis59

Fbodfather,
Thank for taking time out of your busy schedule for the multiple posts over the past 24 hours.

thank you, jarvis for your kind words.......

Ladies and Gentlemen:


I got home from COBO hall last night very late -- and immediately got on a couple of sites to try and calm everyone down.

Most of you understand - -however, there are those out there that for whatever reason think they see:

>Conspiracies

>...that GM is a company that does not care about their enthusiasts

>....that evidently we just want to delay the car -- after all, we're all incompetent....

>......That believe we just blindly believe and follow whatever state and federal governments tell us to do. (I swear -- does ANYONE read a newspaper anymore???)

>......that one dealer out of over 4,000 is the only one that 'knows' what's reallygoing on. (no - I'm NOT talking about CamaroScotty)

>......that we refuse to give you any information on the car (wow -- this one REALLLLLLLLLLY gets me wild - -there is NOT ONE OTHER CAR IN THE HISTORY OF THE AUTOMOBILE INDUSTRY THAT'S HAD MORE INFORMATION OUT THERE MONTHS -- months - - MONTHS before information is ever put out on a new car.....and yet because we don't answer EVERY LITTLE question and ITEM -- we're horrible and don't give a hoot about the customer.

Sorry people -- but we have a car to launch -- I was up til 3:30 this morning answering emails and posts -- and was back up at 6:30 to go back to COBO hall to get ready for NAIAS. I can't make it past page 5 without having a stroke..............

I'm done.......sorry if this sounds like a rant.

You can either believe me -- and the 12 disciples of which there are 15 - that we are doing everything in our power to bring you the best Camaro ever -- and to get your sold orders built as fast as possible.........

OR...........you can believe a few so-called 'experts' that have never worked on a new car program -- have not a clue as to what allocation and francise laws are -- and think they're either Bob Lutz or Warren Buffett or both..........

I'm functioning on no sleep and my frustration level is past 'gone' --

I'm done.

For those of you who 'get it' -- my unending "thank you!"

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by ttazzijr700

im comfused....how can some people get it before others who pre ordered first. Is this delay only with the 2SS or can someone summarize what is happening. Sorry to make people repeat what was probally said but im kind lost

The pre-ordered Camaros will be the first Camaros to be built after the couple thousand V6 Camaros for the dealers.

[PQ]

im comfused....how can some people get it before others who pre ordered first. Is this delay only with the 2SS or can someone summarize what is happening. Sorry to make people repeat what was probally said but im kind lost

From what I understand, if you ordered a V6, you'll be the one of the first. If you ordered an SS you will too but only in your area. If say in Mobile AL nobody has pre-ordered and Mobile gets their 1st SS's in, then someone can walk in and get one. I plan on just going to the dealership in January 2010 and buying one. I'll pay the shipping or maybe just fly to wherever I can get one if they have what I want. I'm actually considering one of the Salenes. We'll see. Lot of money. Might take away from some other things but could be worth it.

[Mr_Draco]

Scott, I have a question about the V6's provided to the dealers. Will these cars be saleable just as soon as they get them or will there be limitations placed on these cars to allow ample time for people to test drive them since that is GM's reasoning behind doing this? Also will these cars go against the dealers allotment or the limit they are allowed to have as stock?

I'm just worried that my local dealer will sale the car as soon as they get it and won't have one to test drive.

[King Mouse]

Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

There is a WEALTH of info out there, dealers are NOT in the dark. They choose not to use it. Find a different dealer.

Color chips ARE available. Find another dealer.

Some dealers simple make the effort, some do not. If this causes displeasure, work with someone else.

I think Chevy has done a GREAT JOB on this car. Right down to letting every day people work with the final designs of the car. Has Ford or Nissan done that? No.

Scott,

I did not intend to insult you. Many dealers STILL do not have color chips yet. You can get one on eBay though. You have to admit that GM has given dealers very little information if none at all. If not for the insider information received on these forums, most of us would know little or nothing about this car. A dealer should not have to find information this way. A consumer should not have to see the interior of a vehicle he has ordered via spyshots.

You should know that I like my dealer very much and have bought many cars from them. I also agree with you that this car is beautifl and outstanding.

We are lucky to have enthusiasts involved here but this is not the way to run a successful campaign.

[super60]

Originally Posted by CoolestCamaro873

I'm sorry but this whole situation is unbelievable! I don't really care about the delay it's only a month. The fact is we've known about this car since Winter 2005. It will be almost 3 1/2 years since we all layed our eyes on the concept, by the time half of us get our cars that we ordered. If there aren't anymore delays again, god-willing. I just baffles me how long it took to get this car out, and just how secrective our dealers, except CAMARO SCOTTY, thanks Scott and GM is being just as bad. I mean the car was suppossed to be produced next month and even up until yeaterday we still didn't know much about the situation of this car except for the V6! We haven't even seen a picture of this car with stripes or in Cyber Gray Metallic!

GM has really dropped the ball on this car in my eyes. The truth is I think it's great that they are delaying the car so we don't get pieces of crap on the road, even though that might be just But, who knows what they are up to. the truth is all theses bugs should've been done already. I swear the people who worked on this car could've been beat out by trained monkeys to get this car on the road already! I mean on one hand I appreciate that GM is doing the right thing, but on the other hand I'm so mad that we all have to wait any longer for a car that should have already been on the road. GM new they were going to build this car before it was even a concept, so the song and dance of "We are going to wait to see the reaction before we produce it...." is BS! They knew old men would be crying at the unveiling and they knew they needed this car on the market.

Unfortunatley, I think I might be out of the Camaro running. The unknown is what scares me and no noe seems to be able to answer questions around here or at the dealers, or GM reps! I am the first on my dealers list for a V8, but all I know for sure is that I'll have ti by September, which begins the 4th Quarter of car production. My dealer has only so many allocations and all of them will be built by than! But, who knows when GM will give him the go ahead for my SS/RS! I have already started to look at a Vette again, although the new 370Z is very nice and so much more refined and realiable than the Vette, I juts don't think can bring myself to buying one, even thoguh I loved my '03 and '04 Z. Too underpowered! But, it is still a possiblity. GM has dissapointed me on this one, and by possibly losing my sale they can be the ones that hurt now! Yeah, someone will buy my Camaro, but they will still lose another customer for life which is never a good thing!

Sorry for the rant!

So what the hell is it with some of you guys always comparing us with MONKEYS !!! I live and breath GM and i'm DAMM PROUD to be a part of the Camaro team. Man go yell at the moon before you start taking shots at the people who are working 150% to get this car out.

From an Oshawa worker.

[OUR72GTO]

Originally Posted by VICTORY RED 1SS

Uh, hate to be the one to tell ya but I got an workbench confirmation number in November when I ordered just like the US guys....

Canada uses GM AutoBook
Data Version 133.3
I have one in my hands dated 10/21/2008
at 12:09:00 pm
Customer file : #####

it is 5 pages long

After I made changes based on the info on this site I have
another updated file with 13 pages from Nov 27th.
That file is UPDATED on Version 134.3.

I believe the dealer's GM when he tells me NO orders in Canada have been entered into GM.

Canada did not have the same "PRE ORDER" dates as the US and the pricing came out a month AFTER the USA.

Our distribution method is totally different as well.

I should know as I have been down to Annacis Island many times to see my factory orders unloaded from trains and placed on trucks.

If some one gave you a number .... congrats ...your in the same lottery as the rest of us.

Bottom line is the guy in T/O will get his car before you or me.

[PQ]

GM could have sold this car WITHOUT all of the info they put out. And without any input from the consumer. I think they've gone out of their way to give us the stuff we have now. Remember, they have problems that are far bigger than seems to be reallized. I beleive this car will be a seller no matter what. GM will do whatever it takes to make this successful. If that means delays, so be it. If that means build them slowly, so be it. If that means expedite the coverage of dealers, great.
Whenever they become available to me, I'm getting mine. I think we'll all look back on this and laugh one day.

[fixxer56]

Fbodfather,
My humble advice to you is to shut your computer off for a few days, enjoy life and know that you are giving us one hell of an automobile.

[OUR72GTO]

Originally Posted by TJ91

I ordered a IOM 2LT/RS with IOM trim, by dealer is allocated 6, i was first to order but there were two people in front of me from before with a deposit. So technically im number 3, my dealer iinformed me that v6-v8 and trim levels will all factor in as to who gets their cars first. So he said dont worry about who ordered first because it doesnt matter. Now where im worried is that he hasnt placed the orders in, he stated that once GM starts taking orders, thats when theyll press enter and all their orders will go in to the system (im really worried about that).

Youe dealer IS being straight with you ....

Take A DEEP breath !!!!!!!

[PatrickfromMD]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

There is NO DELAY on the V8 engine.

Let me repeat that:


there is no delay on the V8 engine...............

Scott.... I can see you have a busy schedule right now, and a lot of traffic on the web site to contend with as well. I just logged on after being away for a week and I'm having trouble getting to the ground truth with all the exchanges going back and forth. When you manage to pop back on, if you could advise me on when you feel orders for 2SS/RS configurations, ordered the 1st day of ordering might be ready for pickup at my local dealer.
My story... had an Fbody most the way through HS (was kind of known for my car that started stock and upon graduation was something quite different), my 25 year class reunion is in May of this year. What are the chances NOW with the new information available to you of me showing up to my reunion in my new Camaro?

[TampaBayCamaro]

I just heard that the Camaro production might be delayed. Is that true?







































Honestly, I have been out of touch for the last 2 days, so I am trying to catch up on all the latest. I truely appreciate Scott taking his time to tell us what is going on.

The way I look at it is I do not have a 2010 Camaro SS today so waiting a month or two longer is not going to ruin my life but make it that much more enjoyable when I do get it.

Imagine if they moved Christmas back a month. Would you cancel it or wait??????

[OUR72GTO]

Originally Posted by trm0002

Really? I'm not saying you're wrong- it just doesn't make sense. Having two separate ordering systems has to cause issues when you're talking about something on that scale. Why would they do something, in my opinion, that bizarre? Do you know what their ordering system actually is? You've peaked my curiosity...

It starts with a totally separate company. GM of Canada .

Our franchise laws are different too!

We did not have the same dates and still do not have the add on prices for the dealer options.

We got NO letters as our info is only at the dealer.