GtvsCamarovsEvo

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by Evotion

+1 on the maintenance.



So tired of hearing this... I absolutely HATE the term "ricer". I owned nothing but american for the first 20 years I could drive, still have them both now. I bought my Evo so I could get a car seat in and out easily, and not drive a minivan. My car is loud under full throttle, and does not sound any worse than the guy with the aftermarket cherry bombs on his Silverado.

I actually started with the same attitude as you did toward Japanese cars... until I drove one. My Evo is an amazing car, if I could keep it AND get the Camaro I would.

I would be more than willing to put you up for a night, if you would like to come down here for a weekend so I could scare the crap out of you in the Evo.

I know where you are coming from, but at some point even die-hard muscle car enthusiasts have to respect what some of the so-called "ricers" bring to the table... you might be surprised.

lol did you just compare a silverado with pipes to your turbo 4 banger exhaust. my buddy owns a mitsu store so lets just say I have been in my fair share of evos. and I prefer my firehawk everytime.

[Bails]

I think I can add a little more unbias opinion on Mustang vs Camaro seeing as how I currently drive a 07 Mustang, though hopefully I'll have a Camaro soon. Can't offer anything about the Evo because I have never driven one. As far as the 2010 models go, Camaro is the easy choice hands down. The 2010 Mustang looks terrible and has old reused engines, though they do offer a FRPP supercharger option for 400hp. If you actually like how the new Mustang looks then wait for 2011 when Ford is supposedly adding more hp. On the Mustang forum I'm on the only defense that Mustang owners have against the Camaro is sales numbers, which I'm really tired of reading. Sales numbers don't mean a thing on the track. Camaro has always and will always outperform Mustang.

[zebra]

welcome Bails! that was one of the better 1st posts i've seen. (& not just because you praise the Camaro)

having driven an 08 GT, i'd much prefer the Camaro. that same day, i drove a 98 T/A just to compare & would much rather have the GM. even with the much older components, it still felt like it handled better & registered higher on the seat-of-the-pants gauge than the ford. i can't imagine how much better the 5th gen will be. i can't offer any input on the Mitsu because i've never had any experience with one, but i will say the Camaro looks much better!

[????????]

I am leaning torwards the camaro. I would try and buy it around october. So should I wait for the 2011 model or go with the 2010 one. Would there be a differnece beetween the two model years other then the convertable.

[BowtieGuy]

All this rice talk is ludicrous. Anybody with a brain in their skull knows that rice has nothing to do with the car, it's the driver that determines whether a car is rice or not. I don't care if you drive a 2002 Camaro SS, if you have a bunch of ridiculous body mods, drive like a pissed off teenager with no regard for others safety or the law, and rev at anything on wheels or try to race whatever happens to be next to you at a stoplight, you are a ricer.


Now, to the OP. Don't spend money on a Mustang. I have driven plenty. Are they fun? Sure. Are they cheap? Yes. If you get one, I suggest you never get behind the wheel of any car in the same class. You will instantly regret your purchase. It is honestly what I would consider an entry level car for performance beginners.

Camaro. Definitely a big step up. Better in almost every aspect than the Mustang (as far as performance is concerned). Other areas are up to personal preference. More muscular and aggressive styling than the Mustang, which sometimes limits its target audience. Huge aftermarket, easy to make mega power. Take care of it and the LS1 will last you well over 100k miles, even with overly spirited driving.


Evo. Only word I have for it is fun. It's not always faster than the Camaro, but you hardly care when you're driving it. Very high maintenance, especially in the driveline area. Also easy to make big power, and can be very nice looking cars if modded tastefully. Not a purchase to be regretted, but don't expect to annihilate everyone in a straight line. Curves on the other hand, as long as your confident and skilled, you need not worry.

[fireresq157]

When I think of these cars This is what comes to mind.

Mustang GT, nice looking Historic name lots of chicks like it, seen grandmothers drive it.

Evo Fast Japanese boxy car, for the "I fooled my parents into buying me a fast car right out of highschool" crowd. Nothing new as far as Japanes cars, not one of the better made ones. You can change the emblems from one brand to another and would have no problem beleiving its a Honda Evo or Subaru Evo, ect. Getting this car you have to do the exterior mods to stand out like stripes, spoilers, ground effects, rims, stickers all that stuff for sure will give you 60 horses more.

Camaro SS Historic Name some chicks like it, most guys envy them. Never seen a grandmothers drive it. Classic lines that never get old even 10 20 30 40years later. Best price for your money.

I like some Japanese cars but the evo dosen't do it for me.

Hope I din't offend anyone it's just an opinion.

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by BowtieGuy

All this rice talk is ludicrous. Anybody with a brain in their skull knows that rice has nothing to do with the car, it's the driver that determines whether a car is rice or not. I don't care if you drive a 2002 Camaro SS, if you have a bunch of ridiculous body mods, drive like a pissed off teenager with no regard for others safety or the law, and rev at anything on wheels or try to race whatever happens to be next to you at a stoplight, you are a ricer.


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[fireresq157]

Originally Posted by ????????

I am leaning torwards the camaro. I would try and buy it around october. So should I wait for the 2011 model or go with the 2010 one. Would there be a differnece beetween the two model years other then the convertable.

Only GM knows , my guess it will have a few more options (i.e. heads up display)and even maybe a small HP bump. But with CAFE looming in the future I don't see a continuation of the horsepower race . I think that race will soon come to an end or level out fast. So these cars may prove to be some of the most powerful for a long time to come. Sure GM and other car companies will probably circumvent to an extent the law by offering aftermarket upgrades packages and add-ons at the dealership or do it yourself level to boost performance. Yet I would not wait too long to buy one because "I'm waiting or expecting huge gains in HP in the coming years". We will be lucky to have these numbers stick around for the next 5 years, especially if the new president and congress have their way. Anyhow that's my opinion/guess.

[TonytheTiger]

Originally Posted by T! E! X! A! S!

The Lancer is a "ricer" it is slow and looks fast. The Evo is not a ricer it's fast and "looks fast" there is a difference beetween tuner and ricer.
Here is a ricer.. And a tuner

Yes.

-counts stickers-
Yes it adds up to about 800+ horses.

[VenomZ302]

From Wikipedia:

Rice burner is a pejorative used initially to describe Asian-made — particularly Japanese-made — motorcycles and automobiles. Many variations have also been used, such as rice rocket for Japanese sport bikes.

More contemporary use of the term rice burner, along with the prefix ricer, has taken on an alternate pejorative meaning for an automobile that has been modified to give impression of high performance, but does not necessarily have any high-performance capabilities. This practice is in direct contrast to the "stealth" or "sleeper" style of automotive modification, where a vehicle may have major performance modifications, but the appearance remains similar to that of a stock model. In this manner, the appellation can apply to any vehicle regardless of country of origin. The most commonly modified cars are sport compacts, but the term can apply to any class of vehicle, including trucks.

Apparently I was sort of misusing the term and also relying on the initial definition of rice burner. My mistake, but, like I said (or implied), I find the specifics to be a bit more of a personal definition.

And I wouldn't say I'm one of the ignorant ones. If you look at what I drive right now, it's a Japanese car. I just prefer American.

[matt55]

Originally Posted by fireresq157

I like some Japanese cars but the evo dosen't do it for me.

Hope I din't offend anyone it's just an opinion.

Dem fighting words



















Naw I 100% agree with you on the looks .
The beauty is in the function not the form of that car .

[DGthe3]

Enough with the ricer talk. All ricers are idiots who are all show, no go. They are people, not cars. Never confuse a ricer with a tuner. A tuner will make his car go faster while altering its appearance so that it performs better on a track. It is a similar contrast to the mulleted redneck with a 1989 IROC sitting on blocks with Metallica stickers in the window vs the gearhead who has a 2002 SS that he has built up to 600 hp, naturally aspirated. One should be laughed at, the other respected.


Back to the original topic.

Obviously, you are going to get told to buy the Camaro here. What is important to you? We like the Camaro for our own reasons but the Mustang and Evo have their advantages too. If you want the fastest car -stock or modified, the Camaro is your best bet. Looks are subjective. Fuel economy is roughly equal though the Camaro has a slight edge.

[2010 SS]

Originally Posted by kylepo

no the fact its an evo makes it rice. and then their is that whole exhaust sound thing but we wont get in to that.

Originally Posted by VenomZ302

In my opinion it's more that it's a JAPANESE made car for the purpose of tuning/racing/etc. Hence, it is a ricer's car.

Originally Posted by ctk1

EVO...Comes with a free 5 pound bag of rice, garbage can sized muffler and top fuel wing. Basically, although it is a quick car, you will come off as a high school fast and the furious wanna be!

Wow, the ignorance level here is off the charts! The Evo does not have a huge "fart can" stock, and I did not recieve a rice bowl when I bought mine (maybe I should go complain?).

What each individual owner does to their ride is their own problem and is a relfection of their personality, not the manufacturer. I've seen Camaros with gay big wings on the back or other various tasteless mods, and yes I've seen Evo's with 22's or mega-huge ridiculous wings that you figure would get the car satellite tv, but that hardly means its what everyone who owns that car does.

Facts are facts, most stock Evo's (especially VIII's or IX's) would out handle, out accelerate, out perform, and respond better to basic mods & tunes over any generation Camaro. (excluding the 2010, lol)

Am I biased? No. I love the Camaro and I love the Evo. I would just like to see some people step off their high horse and show some respect and/or acknowledgement for other performance vehicles rather than close minded comments like anything with a wing is a ricer and so-forth.

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by 2010 SS

I did not recieve a rice bowl when I bought mine (maybe I should go complain?).

probably.