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Cole@Fastlane · 10-29-2010, 09:49 AM

Nice....

blazzin1 · 10-29-2010, 10:58 AM

To ARH and Kooks, there are laws in place to protect you against copyright infringement. If you don't take the time to get a copyright on your products, then that's your own fault. If you have a copyright, then take these other companies to court and sue them! As for me, I would love to buy ARH or Kooks, but the fact that there is a less expensive alternative is appealing. Deal with it, or lower your prices!

kbui · 10-29-2010, 04:12 PM

[QUOTE=tonystark;2473944]

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Originally Posted by mlee

Looks like a new Camaro Header is on the market (B.F.E.)... 304 Stainless and polished...

http://www.bigflowexhaust.com/camaro_2010_exhaust.shtml

Just wondering if anyone had any experience with these yet? ...they look pretty cool to me...

[I'm installing my BFE headers now. I have the drivers side on and so far everything fits great. I should be finished soon. I must say they look really really good. All the welds look very professional and the thickness of the flanges and tubing are accurate. So far I am 110% satisfied!

]

Can you just get the headers and cats without the X-pipe from BFE AND will they just bolt right up to a MBRP cat back?

*mlee* · 10-29-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tonystark

Can you just get the headers and cats without the X-pipe from BFE AND will they just bolt right up to a MBRP cat back?

Yes you can get the Headers and Cats separate, but I can't say for sure they will bolt up to MBRP...

I will check on this tomorrow... because today just DONATED a set to our club including free install..

We will be raffeling them off...

I believe they are bringing them to the Races tomorrow... so I'll ask.

kbui · 10-29-2010, 08:47 PM

Are BFE going to be at Sealy tomorrow to sell and install?

tonystark · 10-29-2010, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbui

Are BFE going to be at Sealy tomorrow to sell and install?

Whats going on at Sealy tomorrow?

*mlee* · 10-29-2010, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbui

Are BFE going to be at Sealy tomorrow to sell and install?

No installs tomorrow, I think we will all be busy, but we may have a nice group sale for club members coming...

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonystark

Whats going on at Sealy tomorrow?

Where have you been... Tomorrow is going to be best racing weather of the year... Check out the link in my Sig and come join us...

Zakath · 10-30-2010, 04:30 AM

I'm not going to form an opinion here, but after reading through all of this I thought I would point out the long term as well as the well discussed short term economic impacts of this sort of thing.

We are under the assumption that BFE and OBX are in fact just copying the designs (I haven't heard any real evidence to the contrary, but perhaps I'm wrong) of ARH and Kooks without any R&D costs added in therefor they cost less. In keeping with the short term goal of maximizing performance per dollar you are probably better off going with BFE or OBX. This is also assuming that you don't need support or warranty or any of that, just product performance per dollar spent. Short term goal accomplished.

However, from a long term standpoint, the more and more people purchase from those companies (BFE and OBX) that are not doing the R&D themselves and are just copying designs from those like Kooks and ARH, the greater the potential for ARH and Kooks to become unprofitable and the greater the chance for them to eventually go out of business. This becomes a serious problem because now there is either less money/time/manpower available for new R&D to be done in the future in the field of headers and/or the companies doing the R&D go out of business and another company will have to pick up the R&D slack. Now that may be a long ways off, and a company may pick that slack off if it comes to that, but the bottom line is that the more people buy knockoffs instead of originals, the less funding R&D will have in general and in turn the lower the quality will go in general.

Really it's the guys doing there own R&D that are holding the knockoff guys on their shoulders business wise. If the people like Kooks and ARH stop doing R&D then the knockoff guys will have to knock off the next lowest company on the quality/R&D totem pole until that company can't stay competitive either and the downward cycle continues.

Money in the hands of the guys doing the research and development is money available for more research and development down the road. Money in the hands of people who copy designs of others is just money handed off to a company with no real long term return for it.

I only mention any of this because no one else seems to have noticed the long term potential effects of knocking off products. The larger the market share that knockoff companies gain, the greater the risk that the companies that provide the designs in the first place will fall apart and then everyone loses.

I do agree that it should be mentioned when someone is selling a product that is designed by another company without there permission. But I also agree that there is a more diplomatic approach to making that knowledge available than what has gone on in this thread.

Just a thought.

caverman · 10-30-2010, 10:48 AM

[QUOTE=mlee;2496340]
I will check on this tomorrow... because today just DONATED a set to our club including free install..

We will be raffeling them off...QUOTE]

Now that would be a SWEET win!

Imagine someone that can't really afford headers and then wins not only the headers but the install as well!!!

Good luck on the raffle.

*mlee* · 10-30-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by caverman

Now that would be a SWEET win!

Imagine someone that can't really afford headers and then wins not only the headers but the install as well!!!

Good luck on the raffle.

Of course you would have to come to Houston for the install... ARD has donated the labor for this....
Hopefully we can make some $$ for the club.

I saw a set last night for the first time and they are SWEET... Coming from the install tech they are NOT knock-offs... Install on the drivers side pretty much distinguishes all 3 brands. What they are is polished to a mirror finish and priced awesome for 304 stainless.

blazzin1 · 10-30-2010, 12:13 PM

I see on their website they're even going to make 2 1/8" primary headers too!!! Not sure who would really need that, besides the +1000 hp guys, but I bet they sure would look good!!! I suppose you'd probably lose performance on a minimally modded engine. Any comments???

1969to2010 · 10-31-2010, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blazzin1

I see on their website they're even going to make 2 1/8" primary headers too!!! Not sure who would really need that, besides the +1000 hp guys, but I bet they sure would look good!!! I suppose you'd probably lose performance on a minimally modded engine. Any comments???

I would think so, My 1 7/8 set up was perfect for my car so far and I think would be good for the mods I have planned E force and a small cam. I ran into a guy with the exact set up I want and the car is nuts !

axis · 10-31-2010, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blazzin1

I see on their website they're even going to make 2 1/8" primary headers too!!! Not sure who would really need that, besides the +1000 hp guys, but I bet they sure would look good!!! I suppose you'd probably lose performance on a minimally modded engine. Any comments???

We'd have to see the sheet on it. Ted did a test with ARH headers and the 2in primary's gave the most gains and didn't lose lowend Tq over the 1 3/4 or 1 7/8. I'd be more concerned with fitment. There's not a lot of space down there and from the pics i've seen, the 2in primary's are cutting it close.

Dan@showstopper · 11-01-2010, 11:46 AM

I hate to throw my hat in to the fire and have tried to stay out of it as long as I could but I fell I have to voice my opinion. As a compnay that hand makes our own products right here in USA I have to agree with ARH. There is more than just labor and material costs that go into final price. There is R&D and engineering that has to be paid for and for companies to just steal designs and undercut the company they stole from is wrong. I completely agree with wanting to pay less for products and wanting to get a great deal but supporting these companies benefits no one but yourself. In order to keep the economy strong we need to keep the dollar circulating and not going overseas. I have given serious thought to OBX headers as well but can't bring myself to do that. I will buy an American made header and it will take me a little longer to afford and I will be happy with my purchase. I'm not going to bash anybody or any product, nor will I voice my opinion in every thread. But I will ask you to think how you would feel about someone in another country doing your job for half price and competing with you directly in an open market before you want to boycott a company for voicing their opinion.

/end rant

10-29-2010, 08:47 PM	#19
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10-30-2010, 10:48 AM	#23
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blazzin1 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS R6P Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: St. Cloud, FL Posts: 4,845 View My Garage	To ARH and Kooks, there are laws in place to protect you against copyright infringement. If you don't take the time to get a copyright on your products, then that's your own fault. If you have a copyright, then take these other companies to court and sue them! As for me, I would love to buy ARH or Kooks, but the fact that there is a less expensive alternative is appealing. Deal with it, or lower your prices!

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Zakath Nefarious Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Phoenix,AZ Posts: 61 View My Garage	I'm not going to form an opinion here, but after reading through all of this I thought I would point out the long term as well as the well discussed short term economic impacts of this sort of thing. We are under the assumption that BFE and OBX are in fact just copying the designs (I haven't heard any real evidence to the contrary, but perhaps I'm wrong) of ARH and Kooks without any R&D costs added in therefor they cost less. In keeping with the short term goal of maximizing performance per dollar you are probably better off going with BFE or OBX. This is also assuming that you don't need support or warranty or any of that, just product performance per dollar spent. Short term goal accomplished. However, from a long term standpoint, the more and more people purchase from those companies (BFE and OBX) that are not doing the R&D themselves and are just copying designs from those like Kooks and ARH, the greater the potential for ARH and Kooks to become unprofitable and the greater the chance for them to eventually go out of business. This becomes a serious problem because now there is either less money/time/manpower available for new R&D to be done in the future in the field of headers and/or the companies doing the R&D go out of business and another company will have to pick up the R&D slack. Now that may be a long ways off, and a company may pick that slack off if it comes to that, but the bottom line is that the more people buy knockoffs instead of originals, the less funding R&D will have in general and in turn the lower the quality will go in general. Really it's the guys doing there own R&D that are holding the knockoff guys on their shoulders business wise. If the people like Kooks and ARH stop doing R&D then the knockoff guys will have to knock off the next lowest company on the quality/R&D totem pole until that company can't stay competitive either and the downward cycle continues. Money in the hands of the guys doing the research and development is money available for more research and development down the road. Money in the hands of people who copy designs of others is just money handed off to a company with no real long term return for it. I only mention any of this because no one else seems to have noticed the long term potential effects of knocking off products. The larger the market share that knockoff companies gain, the greater the risk that the companies that provide the designs in the first place will fall apart and then everyone loses. I do agree that it should be mentioned when someone is selling a product that is designed by another company without there permission. But I also agree that there is a more diplomatic approach to making that knowledge available than what has gone on in this thread. Just a thought.

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blazzin1 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS R6P Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: St. Cloud, FL Posts: 4,845 View My Garage	I see on their website they're even going to make 2 1/8" primary headers too!!! Not sure who would really need that, besides the +1000 hp guys, but I bet they sure would look good!!! I suppose you'd probably lose performance on a minimally modded engine. Any comments???

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Dan@showstopper Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 499	I hate to throw my hat in to the fire and have tried to stay out of it as long as I could but I fell I have to voice my opinion. As a compnay that hand makes our own products right here in USA I have to agree with ARH. There is more than just labor and material costs that go into final price. There is R&D and engineering that has to be paid for and for companies to just steal designs and undercut the company they stole from is wrong. I completely agree with wanting to pay less for products and wanting to get a great deal but supporting these companies benefits no one but yourself. In order to keep the economy strong we need to keep the dollar circulating and not going overseas. I have given serious thought to OBX headers as well but can't bring myself to do that. I will buy an American made header and it will take me a little longer to afford and I will be happy with my purchase. I'm not going to bash anybody or any product, nor will I voice my opinion in every thread. But I will ask you to think how you would feel about someone in another country doing your job for half price and competing with you directly in an open market before you want to boycott a company for voicing their opinion. /end rant