GMS - Dealers Participating

[City Chevrolet]

Originally Posted by Montrose

Gary not every one is trying to ripp off the dealers, me for one isn't i will be paying full msrp no more no less, yea i know i can get the gm military discount because i wont be reciving my car until my return from afghanistan in july 2010, but none of the dealers where i am stationed were willing to work with me, but i did find one out of state about 622 miles away from me that was, and since he will take care of me i feel as if he should get his profit. i wont payfull price for everything but if i feel it's been earned then i have no problem paying full msrp. just my 2 cents. Montrose

And you are a good guy, honest with yourself. Don't get me wrong either, I have had some truly good people come and buy from me and anytime they need anything I will jump at the opportunity to assist them. I would come get their car from their work for an oil change, I would ben dover backward, but this is what I am trying to say, sometimes it is worth the price sometimes it isn't.

People stood in line for the Wii and the playstation 3 and would pay double the cost to have it first.. you get the idea.

I would be happy to give great prices to a customer that was honest with me on about any vehicle I carry. A simple "I would buy that Silverado at $200 over invoice if you would be willing to do it and I will wrap it up today" would be an awesome deal.

[LS 1st gen]

Here's the deal from my perspective.

Dealerships are the front line a of a manufacturer's business. Imagine this: I'm a potential customer, not an enthusiast...

(This is an enthusiast site BTW, don't forget that...we're almost 100% gauranteed customers and if we aren't happy with things, imagine how 99% of the buying public feels.)

Anyhow, I'm a customer, and I want to buy a new Camaro, which is a General Motors product. If GM says "You can pre-order your Camaro starting October 13" then thats what I will expect. If GM says "elligible discounts will be available from day one" then thats what I will expect.

Any other response from a dealer is an innconsistency that I won't put up with as a GM customer. If GM and thier own dealer network simply cannot set up a system where they are on the same page, then something needs to change. This is the point where I start to wonder why I need a dealership anyway. As a customer I can research the car to a point where I will know more about the car then the salesperson will. For warrenty work a simple GM authorized warranty and service center would do. Where does the dealer add value to my experience if I can't count on them to at least be consistant with what the manufacturer says?

I'm not saying that dealerships are obsolete, or that we need a new system, I'm just saying that as a customer, I'm not concerned with the reasons that GM and its dealers can't be on the same page, or the difficulties involved in selling cars in the 21st century...

I care about getting a fair deal and not having to go into the dealership feeling like I am preparing for an interogation and psycho-analysis session.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by LS 1st gen

Here's the deal from my perspective.

Dealerships are the front line a of a manufacturer's business. Imagine this: I'm a potential customer, not an enthusiast...

(This is an enthusiast site BTW, don't forget that...we're almost 100% gaurenteed customers and if we aren't happy with things, imagine how 99% of the buying public feels.)

Anyhow, I'm a customer, and I want to buy a new Camaro, which is a General Motors product. If GM says "You can pre-order your Camaro starting October 13" then thats what I will expect. If GM says "elligible discounts will be available from day one" then thats what I will expect.

Any other response from a dealer is an innconsistency that I won't put up with as a GM customer. If GM and thier own dealer network simply cannot set up a system where they are on the same page, then something needs to chenge. This is the point where I start to wonder why I need a dealership anyway. As a customer I can research the car to a point where I will know more about the car then the salesperson will. For warrenty work a simple GM authorized warranty and service center would do. Where does the dealer add value to my experience if I can't count on them to at least be consistant with what the manufacturer says?

I'm not saying that dealerships are obsolete, or that we need a new system, I'm just saying that as a customer, I'm not concerned with the reasons that GM and its dealers can't be on the same page, or the difficulties involved in selling cars in the 21st century...

I care about getting a fair deal and not having to go into the dealership feeling like I am preparing for an interogation and psycho-analysis session.

Very well said.

I'll add that the dealership/manufacturer model does need to be re-worked.

[fastfret7]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Very well said.

I'll add that the dealership/manufacturer model does need to be re-worked.

It's simple:

GM wants to sell 100K Camaros a year.. Everyone will get one! (Remember the 05' Mustang everyone wanted? Now look at them. They can't give them away)

The dealer is trying to make as much money as they can off one car. If you get a GM discount find a deal that offers it. It is crazy to think that you could be losing a few thousand because you can't wait.

And Finally:
Never ever buy or let your friends buy from the money grubbing dealerships that don't accept discounts or charge over MSRP!

Just my Hard Earned 2 cents

[383ss]

Originally Posted by City Chevrolet

If this car (2SS RS) came out at an MSRP of $50,000.00 people would be happy to buy it at $47,000.00.. it is all perception and that is your only reality.

If the car was 50k, it would be a flop and obviously WAY WAY overpriced. so, I don't see your point. 47k would still be ridiculous
This actually proves the point most of us have been making. The car is 35k, we are VERY happy to pay 33k for it and get the discount GM said they would give.

Originally Posted by City Chevrolet

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And also, to say because the dealership I work for has decided on the 8 or so Camaros alocated to them would not be supplier or GMS sold has no reflection on the dealership as a whole and how they treat their customers. To say that if they don't give away this luxury it is somehow evil to any potential client and reflects badly on their customer service is revolting in itself. Who is being greedy again? Remind me as I keep forgetting as I type this. "Give car away free, treat those who don't like to pay like Gods, plead for referals from those who don't like to pay to send more who don't pay and then kiss their ass too..." oh geeze, sounds like a new ride at Disney World."


The more I read over this forum (except for a few really good people here) the first rule I ever learned has become more and more apparent. Customers typically get into a rage when they can not have what they want for the price they want to pay. Who is holding who hostage again? If I had a dollar for every person since the housing crash who said "I want less than invoice and you guys need the business, call me when you will lose money"


When has the Brand new ultra cool Camaro been something that was put into the Constitution as everyone deserves one at a few bucks over cost?.. alot of the people here act as if we are holding the last glass of water in the desert and holding it for ransom... for Pete's sake, you WANT the cool car but don't want to pay anything for that LUXURY really take a step back..


anyhow, maybe I should exit stage left before I say something that people not in the car business would not understand.

Remember, I have read more threads on this forum demeaning my work, my livelyhood, my career... I have been called a liar without a word being spilt from my lips... I have been called a cheat when that person has never done buiness with me and I see thread after thread of people talking about "How can I beat the dealership up?" So I am sorry if I come off a bit abrasive but I work damn hard for myself, my family and my clients and I know I deserve better treatment than I see most of the people on here...

Have a great day.

you keep saying customers want us to 'give it away'... since when is 30-35k for a car giving it away? You want to beat us into the ground for wanting to get a decent deal on a car. I work hard for my money, I'm so sorry I don't want to just give it away.


As far as calling you a 'liar and cheat', I did say you lied to me. You kept saying over and over the camaro is LIMITED PRODUCTION. If someone on here wants to correct me on that and back up your words, I'll take it back.

I'm sure this thread is on the verge of locking, but I would like some input on this... is the camaro 'limited production'? GM is supposed to make 100,000 and basically sell one to anyone that wants one. am I wrong?


and finally, this comment "except for a few really good people here". I'm so glad to know what you think of the camaro enthusiasts.

[rico-2SS]

Originally Posted by mglumske

Has it finally been decided that the GM Supplier discount will be on the Camaro??
The last I knew it was still up in the air.

Yes and you will find many dealerships offering it. As many in the thread have indicated. GL

This car is only limited production at first and it is not so limited that you will not be able to find one.

IMO....late 2009 and into 2010 the camaro will be in full production like other GM cars. Not what full means is up to GM...this car will not come and then disappear again..it will be a good car for GM against the sports cars they are after.

[rico-2SS]

Originally Posted by 383ss

If the car was 50k, it would be a flop and obviously WAY WAY overpriced. so, I don't see your point. 47k would still be ridiculous
This actually proves the point most of us have been making. The car is 35k, we are VERY happy to pay 33k for it and get the discount GM said they would give.



you keep saying customers want us to 'give it away'... since when is 30-35k for a car giving it away? You want to beat us into the ground for wanting to get a decent deal on a car. I work hard for my money, I'm so sorry I don't want to just give it away.


As far as calling you a 'liar and cheat', I did say you lied to me. You kept saying over and over the camaro is LIMITED PRODUCTION. If someone on here wants to correct me on that and back up your words, I'll take it back.

I'm sure this thread is on the verge of locking, but I would like some input on this... is the camaro 'limited production'? GM is supposed to make 100,000 and basically sell one to anyone that wants one. am I wrong?


and finally, this comment "except for a few really good people here". I'm so glad to know what you think of the camaro enthusiasts.

OK guys....I don't think anyone is calling anyone a liar.....

I for one do not wnat this thread locked.....just get back on topic.

We all know everone works hard for their money - Keep it at that
IS a consumer we look for our best prices.
Dealerships small or big will do what they do, offer it or not.
There are good points from both sides and we as the enthusiats don't feel this is a limited production car so that is our beef when it comes to the GMS and Discounting.

The "Value" is determined by what someone is willing to pay...I for one will not pay more than GMS for this car. Because I know if I do when all the dealerships start participating in 2010 or sooner....they will because like other GM cars and other manufactures cars they will be sitting on lots adn they need to move inventory to make room for newer..... The value ON my car had I paid MSRP just took a real $hit...........

Again lets not get nasty.....don't think anyone has....we all have valid points...so please many of us do

[383ss]

can a mod please separate this thread so dealers that are participating can post without all the BS?

[JEFE SS]

Originally Posted by City Chevrolet

I do not understand this thread and maybe someone can enlighten me a bit. How are you guys so sure GM will be allowing the GMS number or Supplier number to be honored at time of delivery? What if your dealer backs out of that deal? With the Z06 they did not honor GMS or the like for something like 6 months or better.

I am a bit confused since you can not submit a number to GM without a VIN and GM could post their "bulletin" that they will not be doing GMS when the vehicles are about to come out and then the dealer won't want to take a bath on a vehicle of $2,000..

I had a irrate guy sent me an email, he was irrate because I said I could not honor GM supplier pricing on it at this point..(dealership rules currently) I told him with the limited allocation that we had.. GM would not reimburse us as far as we know.. etc. I am now a Liar I guess for trying to be a staright shooter. Lesson one I learned in this business, Consumers will always be angry when they can not acquire what they want for the price they want and without fail it has been true.

Help me out here some.

Those irate angry customers are justified when
they are better informed than the salesmen...

Link to 2010 excluded vehicles https://www.exclusivegmoffer.com/ip-...igibility.html

[CamaroScotty]

Kind of an OLD THREAD....but I have posted since Oct 2008 that ALL GM DISCOUNTS would be on the Camaro. Again, it's up to the dealer to honor them.

[espo19047]

Originally Posted by bolteon593

that's a good point, but i gotta ask... what if they cant?

if you look into any newspaper these days, you'll notice it isn't currently a sellers market.




think of it this way, it's better for a dealer to make the hold back and that's it then to make nothing at all.

I am not sure where you are but in my area it is a sellers market for the Camaro. Everyone has been sold at MSRP and no one has complained about the price...