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Old 01-18-2009, 11:11 PM   #281
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Man I agree with you 100%. I never understood why the Z's are so heavy. It doesn't make any sense. It should be no more than 3100lbs or less. Plus, the 370z is smaller in over all size.
There were a lot of complaints over the 350 being to heavy. So, with the 370z trimmed off only about 88lbs, but with new regulations with safety and such, the 370 actually weighs more than the 350 nismo. You would think those people in japan with there so called fuel efficient cars and what not could make the cars lighter.
platform, suspension, engine, as soon as you start putting quality parts into your car the Weight goes up. AKA the miata is garbage.

If it was possible to build a 2 seater at 2500lbs and still have it accomplish everything the Z is able to accomplish it would have been done. Their isnt some fat conspiracy.
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:22 AM   #282
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I didn't mean there was a conspiracy going on or anything.
The RX7 was light. Maybe they should of taken some ideas from Mazda.
And yes the miata is crap. Who ever designed it should burn.
The S2000 are pretty light.
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platform, suspension, engine, as soon as you start putting quality parts into your car the Weight goes up. AKA the miata is garbage.

If it was possible to build a 2 seater at 2500lbs and still have it accomplish everything the Z is able to accomplish it would have been done. Their isnt some fat conspiracy.
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:56 AM   #283
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I didn't mean there was a conspiracy going on or anything.
The RX7 was light. Maybe they should of taken some ideas from Mazda.
And yes the miata is crap. Who ever designed it should burn.
The S2000 are pretty light.
both of those cars were made in an era of less safety regulation, thus resulting in a lower weight dedicated to safety
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Old 01-19-2009, 03:11 AM   #284
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True. But how about the current s2000? I assume there isnt' much of a weight difference when it first came out to the most recent one.
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:07 AM   #285
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True. But how about the current s2000? I assume there isnt' much of a weight difference when it first came out to the most recent one.
The difference is pretty much negligible.

But, bear in mind that the S2000 costs more money than the camaro SS and has 200 less horsepower out of a L4 (which is naturally much lighter than either a V6 or a V8). Honda also used all aluminum body panels on the S2000 - something that would greatly increase the cost of the Camaro.

And again, the S2000 costs about 4,000 more starting than the Camaro does.
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P.S. - Honestly, I think the Camaro is pretty light for what it offers and its price range. There's a reason why the 4th gen weighed 3,500 lbs, but most of the people I know who race them have a race weight closer to 3,800 - 3,900.
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:48 AM   #286
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If a car is light it's because it's small, made for small people, lacks extra space (2 seaters, 4 seaters with tiny back seats, tiny trunks, etc) and/or it is slow (going fast takes heavier duty components, particularly when you want to avoid warranty repairs and thus costs down). I can't think of a single car lighter than the Camaro with it's performance capabilities speed/passenger/cargo/mpg(and from early indications handling) that isn't around twice the price (or more), and these few lighter much more expensive cars most likely still manage get worse mpg's despite their slight weight advantage.

As for the 370Z, it seems like an ok car if it's what someone wants, but it's going to be a step below the Camaro in speed and utility, with a likely step up in handling. Both seem like strong values, speed vs handling is personal taste but the 370 won't be slow and the Camaro won't handle bad so there's no real losing in this choice unless the extra utility of the Camaro matters to you (back seats and and larger trunk).
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Old 01-19-2009, 06:36 AM   #287
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I went to go take a quick look at the 370z last week, and while I didn't take a test drive, it is obvious that it is made to handle. That being said, I have a subaru wrx that is a 4 door which weighs in pretty close to the 370z. For a car of it's size, it should be lighter because it is small. But as was said earlier the camaro and the 370z are different types of cars. For a heavy car though the camaro has 420+ hp and 400 lbs of torque ( correct me if I'm wrong ) as well as exceptional handling so it should have no problem working a 370z on a roadcourse with a good driver. Unfortunately we must reduce ourselves to bench racing till we get our camaros.
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If a car is light it's because it's small, made for small people, lacks extra space (2 seaters, 4 seaters with tiny back seats, tiny trunks, etc) and/or it is slow (going fast takes heavier duty components, particularly when you want to avoid warranty repairs and thus costs down). I can't think of a single car lighter than the Camaro with it's performance capabilities speed/passenger/cargo/mpg(and from early indications handling) that isn't around twice the price (or more), and these few lighter much more expensive cars most likely still manage get worse mpg's despite their slight weight advantage.

As for the 370Z, it seems like an ok car if it's what someone wants, but it's going to be a step below the Camaro in speed and utility, with a likely step up in handling. Both seem like strong values, speed vs handling is personal taste but the 370 won't be slow and the Camaro won't handle bad so there's no real losing in this choice unless the extra utility of the Camaro matters to you (back seats and and larger trunk).
i probably have a good insiders view on this because my brother drives a GTO, and my Girlfriend drives a 350z... both accurately represent a similar driving expirience to what should be expected from the Camaro and 370z.

The Z gives much more road 'feel'. Its got a touchy throttle and very responsive steering. Good car for the twisties. It doesnt feel overly nimble, but it rides very low, transmits a good amount of road feel and engine noise, which makes it feel like its going faster than it really is. Good for everything but racing. Makes everything fun. The big complaints i have for the Z's are A. they are just downright uncomfortable. There is no way around this. and B. the closer you get to redline...5k-7k the more the car, and specfically the engine, begin to shake in a way that makes you want to slow down.

The GTO is a completely different animal. Where the 350z makes you feel like your in a cockpit (never looking at the speedometer because your speed is displayed digitally on the dashboard) the GTO is like sitting on a sofa driving a bigger car. It only really has maybe 200lbs on the Z, but it feels much bigger, mainly because, everything is bigger. You sit in a large comfy seat, not much like the racy uncomfortable seats in the Z, the steering wheel is bigger, you ride higher, and all the knobs/displays are bigger. Now if these cars were to race it'd be GTO all the way, HOWEVER the Z feels FASTER when your not pushing the cars because of the touchy throttle. The GTO only really opens up when you open the car up. It drives smooth and big like a sedan until you push it, and then the engine responds. It doesnt feel nearly as nimble or responsive as the Z, but it feels like you could beat the Shit out of the car for hours and not have a problem.
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Old 01-19-2009, 09:38 PM   #289
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The camaro will give the GT500 a run for the money...The mustang cant really keep the power on the ground that well.

In fact...Top Gear rated the GT500 at 400 HP..lol
and the older GT500 was rated at 200hp...lol

ford...silly...they did it backwards...supposed to underrate thier engines for insurance purposes.
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And also..its been stated that the camaro achieved a .97 G skidpad reading...i dont know if this is peak or sustained but it still beats the Z. I mean we are talkin 911 G numbers here people.
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And also..its been stated that the camaro achieved a .97 G skidpad reading...i dont know if this is peak or sustained but it still beats the Z. I mean we are talkin 911 G numbers here people.
motortrend got a .99 for the Z
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If a car is light it's because it's small, made for small people, lacks extra space (2 seaters, 4 seaters with tiny back seats, tiny trunks, etc) and/or it is slow (going fast takes heavier duty components, particularly when you want to avoid warranty repairs and thus costs down). I can't think of a single car lighter than the Camaro with it's performance capabilities speed/passenger/cargo/mpg(and from early indications handling) that isn't around twice the price (or more), and these few lighter much more expensive cars most likely still manage get worse mpg's despite their slight weight advantage.

As for the 370Z, it seems like an ok car if it's what someone wants, but it's going to be a step below the Camaro in speed and utility, with a likely step up in handling. Both seem like strong values, speed vs handling is personal taste but the 370 won't be slow and the Camaro won't handle bad so there's no real losing in this choice unless the extra utility of the Camaro matters to you (back seats and and larger trunk).
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Since you have experience with the 350z you should take a test drive of the 370z and tell us what you think. I took a test drive of the 370z and I thought it was comfortable, but i'm a short dude. If you get a chance to test a 370z let me know, cause I would like to hear your feedback. I plan on buying a 370z sometime in the future but I want to wait until the camero comes out and test drive that.
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i probably have a good insiders view on this because my brother drives a GTO, and my Girlfriend drives a 350z... both accurately represent a similar driving expirience to what should be expected from the Camaro and 370z.

The Z gives much more road 'feel'. Its got a touchy throttle and very responsive steering. Good car for the twisties. It doesnt feel overly nimble, but it rides very low, transmits a good amount of road feel and engine noise, which makes it feel like its going faster than it really is. Good for everything but racing. Makes everything fun. The big complaints i have for the Z's are A. they are just downright uncomfortable. There is no way around this. and B. the closer you get to redline...5k-7k the more the car, and specfically the engine, begin to shake in a way that makes you want to slow down.

The GTO is a completely different animal. Where the 350z makes you feel like your in a cockpit (never looking at the speedometer because your speed is displayed digitally on the dashboard) the GTO is like sitting on a sofa driving a bigger car. It only really has maybe 200lbs on the Z, but it feels much bigger, mainly because, everything is bigger. You sit in a large comfy seat, not much like the racy uncomfortable seats in the Z, the steering wheel is bigger, you ride higher, and all the knobs/displays are bigger. Now if these cars were to race it'd be GTO all the way, HOWEVER the Z feels FASTER when your not pushing the cars because of the touchy throttle. The GTO only really opens up when you open the car up. It drives smooth and big like a sedan until you push it, and then the engine responds. It doesnt feel nearly as nimble or responsive as the Z, but it feels like you could beat the Shit out of the car for hours and not have a problem.
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IF i'm not mistaken the z got 0.99g.
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And also..its been stated that the camaro achieved a .97 G skidpad reading...i dont know if this is peak or sustained but it still beats the Z. I mean we are talkin 911 G numbers here people.
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