08 Cobalt Turbo Compared To 2010 Camaro V6?

[cmiller8006]

Originally Posted by MichaelH

i could have sworn i read somewhere or someone told me that the 3.6l was built to handle FI though could be wrong though but im jus saying that the camaro engine is a good engine and doesnt need much boost to get alot of power out of it im not dissing the cobalt ss i actually like the car its a quick car im jus saying it jus needs alot of boost to get alot of power out

I don't really research the camaro v6 to much, so have not heard about the built for fi thing. I don't think it was because one thing is a fi car is built with lower compression generally. The higher compression as well as bigger displacement will also take less boost to make the power.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by MichaelH

i could have sworn i read somewhere or someone told me that the 3.6l was built to handle FI though could be wrong though but im jus saying that the camaro engine is a good engine and doesnt need much boost to get alot of power out of it im not dissing the cobalt ss i actually like the car its a quick car im jus saying it jus needs alot of boost to get alot of power out

Originally Posted by cmiller8006

I don't really research the camaro v6 to much, so have not heard about the built for fi thing. I don't think it was because one thing is a fi car is built with lower compression generally. The higher compression as well as bigger displacement will also take less boost to make the power.

In sense it wasn't built for turbos because it didn't come with them. In another sense it has features that are nice to have on turbos (some forged parts). It has proven to handle low levels of boost quite well, and once we figure out how to get more fuel flowing it should probably handle about 10 psi without issue. Again, as noted above it is the CFM that really matters, and all the turbo setups we've seen so far are much larger than those on a stock Cobalt. The best ones are getting about 400 RWHP at around 6 psi if I remember correctly.

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by Z/28orSs

I say get the camaro, it's like trading in a evo 9 for a 10 you lose performance but you gain practicality! Thats just my 2 cents! butwhat do i know im young and DUMB!

This post, IMO, makes the most sense. V6 Camaros are produced for the practical crowd. You want a Camaro but aren't concerned about racing or modding it, get the LT. To seek out which cars in the LT's price group you can beat is almost laughable. I'm not knocking the V6 but its like buying a canoe to pull skiers because you can't afford a ski boat. Enjoy your purchase and the pleasure it brings you when you back out of the driveway each day, don't worry about it not being able to accomplish something it was never really intended to do in the first place...

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

This post, IMO, makes the most sense. V6 Camaros are produced for the practical crowd. You want a Camaro but aren't concerned about racing or modding it, get the LT. To seek out which cars in the LT's price group you can beat is almost laughable. I'm not knocking the V6 but its like buying a canoe to pull skiers because you can't afford a ski boat. Enjoy your purchase and the pleasure it brings you when you back out of the driveway each day, don't worry about it not being able to accomplish something it was never really intended to do in the first place...

I agree with this statement...don't expect too much from something.

But again I must harp lol....Camaro V6 is still a fun car. We have a 13.7x timeslip here from someone with a 2LT with just an intake and exhaust. No thats not typical (weather was perfect that day apparantly) but its nothing to laugh at. But at the end of the day, stock for stock, a cobalt SS is quicker.

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I agree with this statement...don't expect too much from something.

But again I must harp lol....Camaro V6 is still a fun car. We have a 13.7x timeslip here from someone with a 2LT with just an intake and exhaust. No thats not typical (weather was perfect that day apparantly) but its nothing to laugh at. But at the end of the day, stock for stock, a cobalt SS is quicker.

I'm not doubting that for one minute. I was just speaking in terms of practicality.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

This post, IMO, makes the most sense. V6 Camaros are produced for the practical crowd. You want a Camaro but aren't concerned about racing or modding it, get the LT. To seek out which cars in the LT's price group you can beat is almost laughable. I'm not knocking the V6 but its like buying a canoe to pull skiers because you can't afford a ski boat. Enjoy your purchase and the pleasure it brings you when you back out of the driveway each day, don't worry about it not being able to accomplish something it was never really intended to do in the first place...

If you want practical, don't buy a Camaro. It's not a family car by any means, and having a V6 instead of a v8 doesn't change that.

It does sound like you are knocking the V6 when use the analogy of a canoe to a ski boat. Many do mod the V6 and we have one that just ran 12.015 in the 1/4 mile. We also have one with a turbo that beat the V8s on the road course. It is a good car for racing and already has quite a few accomplishments under it's belt.

[cmiller8006]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

In sense it wasn't built for turbos because it didn't come with them. In another sense it has features that are nice to have on turbos (some forged parts). It has proven to handle low levels of boost quite well, and once we figure out how to get more fuel flowing it should probably handle about 10 psi without issue. Again, as noted above it is the CFM that really matters, and all the turbo setups we've seen so far are much larger than those on a stock Cobalt. The best ones are getting about 400 RWHP at around 6 psi if I remember correctly.

I bet if Trifecta would work with it some he could get the fuel there. For us it was a matter of turning up the fuel pressure from 2170psi to 2800 and its done electronically and the rest is still stock. The DI is really going to help for the camaro once you guys are able to really ring them out.

[cmiller8006]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

If you want practical, don't buy a Camaro. It's not a family car by any means, and having a V6 instead of a v8 doesn't change that.

It does sound like you are knocking the V6 when use the analogy of a canoe to a ski boat. Many do mod the V6 and we have one that just ran 12.015 in the 1/4 mile. We also have one with a turbo that beat the V8s on the road course. It is a good car for racing and already has quite a few accomplishments under it's belt.

And thats a good ET, only two LNFs are faster than that lol. But most bolted and tuned cobalts trap more than that 113. Would be cool to see a few fast camaros around here.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by cmiller8006

I bet if Trifecta would work with it some he could get the fuel there. For us it was a matter of turning up the fuel pressure from 2170psi to 2800 and its done electronically and the rest is still stock. The DI is really going to help for the camaro once you guys are able to really ring them out.

It looks like he has the high pressure pump working well, but the in-tank pump just won't cut it. I think the new fuel control module pretty much maxing out the voltage and they just can't pump more. Vince has usually figured things out quickly, but this one seems to have him stumped. I've already started looking for an aftermarket solution.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by cmiller8006

And thats a good ET, only two LNFs are faster than that lol. But most bolted and tuned cobalts trap more than that 113. Would be cool to see a few fast camaros around here.

Yeah, he is being very careful because the tranny is probably not going to take much more, I think. If he was to dump the whole 125 shot at lower RPMs he might leave some gears on the strip. I forget where he set the windows, but I'm pretty sure it's above 3.5K. That means a slower start and slower trap. With some 3.55 gears, he'd definately break into the 11s and trap a little higher.

[cmiller8006]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

It looks like he has the high pressure pump working well, but the in-tank pump just won't cut it. I think the new fuel control module pretty much maxing out the voltage and they just can't pump more. Vince has usually figured things out quickly, but this one seems to have him stumped. I've already started looking for an aftermarket solution.

I bet its the same pump thats in the cobalt, but with the extra two cylinders it just cant keep up.

[cmiller8006]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Yeah, he is being very careful because the tranny is probably not going to take much more, I think. If he was to dump the whole 125 shot at lower RPMs he might leave some gears on the strip. I forget where he set the windows, but I'm pretty sure it's above 3.5K. That means a slower start and slower trap. With some 3.55 gears, he'd definately break into the 11s and trap a little higher.

It will go 11's soon.

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

If you want practical, don't buy a Camaro. It's not a family car by any means, and having a V6 instead of a v8 doesn't change that.

It does sound like you are knocking the V6 when use the analogy of a canoe to a ski boat. Many do mod the V6 and we have one that just ran 12.015 in the 1/4 mile. We also have one with a turbo that beat the V8s on the road course. It is a good car for racing and already has quite a few accomplishments under it's belt.

See, I knew this would happen. How much $ did the proud owner of that 12 sec timeslip spend on their LT Camaro?? Please, you can't argue with logic and nowhere did I say that buying a V6 Camaro would be conducive to having a family. Of course there will be performance mods for this car. Does that mean it makes sense to buy a car for 27K and dump another 5K into it to run mid 12's?? I can gain 10-15hp on the dyno by adjusting fuel and adding timing, that's what V8's do...

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

See, I knew this would happen. How much $ did the proud owner of that 12 sec timeslip spend on their LT Camaro?? Please, you can't argue with logic and nowhere did I say that buying a V6 Camaro would be conducive to having a family. Of course there will be performance mods for this car. Does that mean it makes sense to buy a car for 27K and dump another 5K into it to run mid 12's?? I can gain 10-15hp on the dyno by adjusting fuel and adding timing, that's what V8's do...

Nope, you didn't say family you said practical. I have an example of how the Camaro isn't practical for most people. As for the 12's on the V6, it was way less than 5K (Nitrous is cheap). Also, why does everyone always want to compare the top-end V6 to the cheapes SS? I saw a brand new LS at the dealer for 21,999. Cheapest 1SS I saw was 31,500. There's almost 10K there to play with. With much less than that we are seeing V6s running in the mid 13s which is what a lot of SS guys are running. That is an accomplishment, whether you think it was INTENDED or not.

The OPs point was to compare the V6 to the SS Cobalt T/C. He didn't limit to just LT. Other posters, including me, pointed out that you can mod the V6 to be competitive with the Cobalt for a reasonable amount of money. You can also make it a very fast car that will nearly rival the quickest Cobalts with just nitrous. Soon we may be seeing some turbo V6s that perform better than that. Let's stick to the topic at hand and not introduce things like practical (get a Honda) and canoes vs ski boats. Otherwise you will get flamed by the true Camaro lovers like me!