Camaro SS vs 6.4 HEMI

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

Man, the camaro went from being the top dog by far, to now the back of the pack, by a sizeable margin. Better hope to retake it come 2012

When did the V6 and R/T Challengers get faster than their Camaro counterparts?

[MatchbookSS]

The 392 is going to be faster than the SS. But for the price, out the door, you might as well just buy a GT500. Or wait for this mythical Z28.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

If its a SS vs a Mustang GT 5.0 manual and that driver of the Mustang sucks at shifting, then the SS will win.... or if it's slicker out, the Camaro has wider rear tires with more traction.

i have 275 35 19's. they arent much smaller. i guess ill add 285 35 -19 next time so i can be as fast. when its slick.


the shifting thing is very true. newbys will miss 2-3 for weeks after the buy it.




who cares if the 392 is faster than my car and yours. if you care, mod it to get back on top. otherwise enjoy your car.

ive noticed folks selling their porsche's, bmw's, GTO's, etc to buy the 2011GT, and you know those same folks will sell the 2011GT when the next wind and wave blows by. they want to be on top . who cares.

[SWAT 79]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

You know what I meant basically, the Mustang is harder to hook up because it has skinnier harder tires... vs the 275s on the Camaro.

The difference in tires isn't big enough to make up for the discrepancy is what i'm saying.

Originally Posted by DGthe3

When did the V6 and R/T Challengers get faster than their Camaro counterparts?

The words not out yet, all we know is that the challenger is faster then the mustang and the mustang is faster then the camaro, in their respective v8 categories.

[08-G35s/6MT]

^^^

As I was saying earlier, IRS and wider tires are an advantage of the Camaro versus the Mustang... which I mightve stated something else along the way but this is my point proven in a drag race(on a closed course by professional drivers of course). Despite making over 100 horsepower more, the GT500 just beats out the Camaro SS by .1 seconds thru the 1/4 mile, because of the GT500's skinnier rock hard Goodyear eagle tires and live rear axles' excess wheel hop.








Here is a Mustang GT 5.0 with 130 less horsepower beating the Camaro SS by about the same amount, once again because of the limitations of the GT500's skinny rock hard Goodyear eagle tires, the GT is just about as fast.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

^^^

As I was saying earlier, IRS and wider tires are an advantage of the Camaro versus the Mustang... which I mightve stated something else along the way but this is my point proven in a drag race(on a closed course by professional drivers of course). Despite making over 100 horsepower more, the GT500 just beats out the Camaro SS by .1 seconds thru the 1/4 mile, because of the GT500's skinnier rock hard Goodyear eagle tires and live rear axles' excess wheel hop.

I wouldnt quote that.

Real owners are seeing low 12's and high 11's out of the GT500.

[8cd03gro]

The msrp is closer to the gt500 than the gt or ss.

[Mr CLuTcH]

I think the new Hemi will be faster than the Camaro L99 stock, and damn near dead even with an LS3, but won't be faster than the 5.0 ; that thing is putting out some serious rwhp plus it's lighter.

I own a L99, it's modded now, but when I was stock I raced current SRTs and walked them on the top end, up until then it was neck and neck. Weight does play a big factor, but with the new 6.4's increased hp into consideration, I think it will easily beat a L99 and come out dead even against a LS3. The L99 would need some mods to win it. If the 6.4 hemi comes with 480 at the crank, I think it will put out a realistic number of 420-430 to the wheels, nothing significantly higher.

I don't buy these claims of 450 to the wheels, with a 480 crank numbers, that's barely a drivetrain loss, and let's not bring up mere speculation of "it's underrated and putting out more power at the crank, ...because I own a dodge". I honestly think the SRT needed the power increase to stay competitive with the 5.0 and SS, in it's current state it's an underachiever.

But then again, I feel the the L99 stock is also a underachiever, ....400 at the crank but only putting out 320 at the wheels? lol! Ridiculous. I mean Chevy wtf went wrong? They should have put a more aggressive cam in the thing to make it closer in power to the LS3. Luckily mine put out 355 at the wheels until I got modded, guess it was the break in. But anyways, things should be interesting with this new hemi hitting the street. Oh wait.....it's limited edition, so you probably won't see that many anyway.

(sigh)

Thank god we can all mod,.......if not we'd get easily surpassed by next years new model cars! And all of this........is my honest opinion.

[MG]

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...nger-srt8.html

^^^^^ 443 RWHP and 452 RWTQ

I find that insideline gives relatively conservative numbers so I will take their word for it.

I think the new SRT8 will have an advantage over both LS3's and L99's. Once they bring out the 8-speeds it will be an even larger advantage.

But this is good. Next is the Camaro's turn; I expect Chevy won't dissappoint. The 2012 MY will be a big one for us.......

SS power bump.

New interior.

Z28.

Z28.

Z28.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by Mr CLuTcH

I think the new Hemi will be faster than the Camaro L99 stock, and damn near dead even with an LS3, but won't be faster than the 5.0 ; that thing is putting out some serious rwhp plus it's lighter.

I own a L99, it's modded now, but when I was stock I raced current SRTs and walked them on the top end, up until then it was neck and neck. Weight does play a big factor, but with the new 6.4's increased hp into consideration, I think it will easily beat a L99 and come out dead even against a LS3. The L99 would need some mods to win it. If the 6.4 hemi comes with 480 at the crank, I think it will put out a realistic number of 420-430 to the wheels, nothing significantly higher.

I don't buy these claims of 450 to the wheels, with a 480 crank numbers, that's barely a drivetrain loss, and let's not bring up mere speculation of "it's underrated and putting out more power at the crank, ...because I own a dodge". I honestly think the SRT needed the power increase to stay competitive with the 5.0 and SS, in it's current state it's an underachiever.

Thank god we can all mod,.......if not we'd get easily surpassed by next years new model cars! And all of this........is my honest opinion.

There have been 3 tests thus far:

C/D: 12.9@114
Inside Line: 12.6@112.1
MT: 13.0@111.3

It is safe to say the SRT392 is faster than the SS or 5.0.

[Mr CLuTcH]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

There have been 3 tests thus far:

C/D: 12.9@114
Inside Line: 12.6@112.1
MT: 13.0@111.3

It is safe to say the SRT392 is faster than the SS or 5.0.

The traps do tell the story,....but we've seen stock 5.0's produce better times. What gives then? Wont mention hero runs....but I expected lower times out of the SRT.

[08-G35s/6MT]

Originally Posted by MG

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...nger-srt8.html

^^^^^ 443 RWHP and 452 RWTQ

I find that insideline gives relatively conservative numbers so I will take their word for it.

I think the new SRT8 will have an advantage over both LS3's and L99's. Once they bring out the 8-speeds it will be an even larger advantage.

But this is good. Next is the Camaro's turn; I expect Chevy won't dissappoint. The 2012 MY will be a big one for us.......

SS power bump.

New interior.

Z28.

Z28.

Z28.

Using a very CONSERVATIVE 15% drivetrain loss the Challenger makes 509 horsepower at the crank, IRS has a higher drivetrain loss than LRA as well. It makes damn near 100 more horsepower and torque at the wheels then the Camaro SS.



All of these were done on Mustang dynomometers(No relation to the Blue Oval) and therefore the variable of dyno type is taken out, making the results more relevant. Someone else on the forum pulled a 380ish for the LS3 Camaro SS, but that was on a higher reading dyno dynamics dynomometer.



Inside Line also dynoed the Camaro SS LS3:
364-horsepower and 371 pound-feet of torque whp. Using a 15% drivetrain loss it makes around 419 horsepower, which seems about right.
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...-the-dyno.html





Here's Inside Line's own words on the Mustang GT 5.0 Dyno

"Inside Line's tester reliably belted out 395 horsepower at 6,600 RPM and 365 pound-feet of torque at 4,350 rpm. That's at the wheel, natch, and since IL estimates the 'Stang sees only an 11% to 13% driveline loss thanks to its stick axle, the car is likely making somewhere between 438 and 446 horsepower at the crank – far more than the advertised 412."




Seems as though Ford and Dodge both underrated their cars, why would you want to do that ??

Camaro LS3- 419 bhp(15% drivetrain loss/ IRS)

Mustang- 442 bhp(averaged InsideLine's two estimates(12% loss/ LRA)

Challenger SRT8 392- 509 bhp(15% drivetrain loss/ IRS)

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Using a very CONSERVATIVE 15% drivetrain loss the Challenger makes 509 horsepower at the crank, IRS has a higher drivetrain loss than LRA as well. It makes damn near 100 more horsepower and torque at the wheels then the Camaro SS.



All of these were done on Mustang dynomometers(No relation to the Blue Oval) and therefore the variable of dyno type is taken out, making the results more relevant. Someone else on the forum pulled a 380ish for the LS3 Camaro SS, but that was on a higher reading dyno dynamics dynomometer.



Inside Line also dynoed the Camaro SS LS3:
364-horsepower and 371 pound-feet of torque whp. Using a 15% drivetrain loss it makes around 419 horsepower, which seems about right.
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...-the-dyno.html





Here's Inside Line's own words on the Mustang GT 5.0 Dyno

"Inside Line's tester reliably belted out 395 horsepower at 6,600 RPM and 365 pound-feet of torque at 4,350 rpm. That's at the wheel, natch, and since IL estimates the 'Stang sees only an 11% to 13% driveline loss thanks to its stick axle, the car is likely making somewhere between 438 and 446 horsepower at the crank – far more than the advertised 412."




Seems as though Ford and Dodge both underrated their cars, why would you want to do that ??

Camaro LS3- 419 bhp(15% drivetrain loss/ IRS)

Mustang- 442 bhp(averaged InsideLine's two estimates(12% loss/ LRA)

Challenger SRT8 392- 509 bhp(15% drivetrain loss/ IRS)

All from one source you come up with these conclusions?

All from dynos done on different days?

Calibrations, operator etc etc all could have changed. The 5.0 DOES NOT average 30rwhp more than the LS3. The cars dyno almost identically. The LS3 usually puts down slightly more torque and the 5.0 slightly more horsepower.

The 5.0 and LS3 are both SAE certified. They are not under rated. I have seen plenty of 5.0 cars dyno at 360-370rwhp stock.

Just FYI....something as small as the operating temp at which the dyno pull was done can change the RWHP by + or - 10 rwhp. I have seen it with my own eyes with my own car.

[Mr CLuTcH]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

All from one source you come up with these conclusions?

All from dynos done on different days?

Calibrations, operator etc etc all could have changed. The 5.0 DOES NOT average 30rwhp more than the LS3. The cars dyno almost identically. The LS3 usually puts down slightly more torque and the 5.0 slightly more horsepower.

The 5.0 and LS3 are both SAE certified. They are not under rated. I have seen plenty of 5.0 cars dyno at 360-370rwhp stock.

Just FYI....something as small as the operating temp at which the dyno pull was done can change the RWHP by + or - 10 rwhp. I have seen it with my own eyes with my own car.

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