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UCF w00t · 01-26-2009, 10:34 AM

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WASHINGTON - Plunging into energy policy, President Barack Obama is poised to give states a freer hand in curbing emissions from cars, and to get his government moving on fuel-efficiency standards that could remake the auto industry.

article @ msnbc

Somehow I hope we can leave politics out of this. But this certainly does not bode well for "gas guzzlers" going forward. Get em while you can!!!

Chemical · 01-26-2009, 10:41 AM

there are some more powerful electric vehicles out there... more powerful than any V8 at the least.

If anyone is worried about speed, the electric vehicle will tear the road. If your worried about sound then theres a problem.

Silver Streak · 01-26-2009, 10:44 AM

New standards on 2011 models! This is not something that we didn't know it was coming. IMO, don't really think this will effect our orders or the 2010 models. I hope not anyways. I agree though, get them while you can! BTW we will learn how to make anything fast, that will never go away! That being said, I am not worried about my order and don't think anything will be changing soon enough to make me worried! Still looking forward to my SS.

CWI · 01-26-2009, 10:45 AM

I wish rush hour traffic moved as fast as that pic shows.

The article isn't all correct anyway. They list the states that have adopted California's emissions standards. WRONG. Oregon only has a few counties that require emissions testing, not the whole state. I didn't read the whole story but I wouldn't doubt there are more inconsistancies.

We will always have a way to have performance even if we can't buy it new that way.

Rodrunner · 01-26-2009, 10:55 AM

I can see it now...the muscle car of the future - all electric with a secondary audio system to output the throaty sound of a powerful V8. :(

Silver Streak · 01-26-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodrunner

I can see it now...the muscle car of the future - all electric with a secondary audio system to output the throaty sound of a powerful V8. :(

lol

nUcLeArEnVoY · 01-26-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chemical

there are some more powerful electric vehicles out there... more powerful than any V8 at the least.

If anyone is worried about speed, the electric vehicle will tear the road. If your worried about sound then theres a problem.

Electric motors produce a lot more torque than internal combustion engines. But that sound you get from an engine will no longer exist... but if there's a will, there's a way.

UCF w00t · 01-26-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chemical

there are some more powerful electric vehicles out there... more powerful than any V8 at the least.

If anyone is worried about speed, the electric vehicle will tear the road. If your worried about sound then theres a problem.

This is true. I do think there will be some gap while technology catches up though.

stovt001 · 01-26-2009, 11:16 AM

Looks like I'll be going across state lines to buy my Camaro. Good job losing those sales taxes and fees, California. It is no wonder we're in perpetual financial trouble. I want to recall our entire looney government and start over.

Hylton · 01-26-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by stovt001

Looks like I'll be going across state lines to buy my Camaro. Good job losing those sales taxes and fees, California. It is no wonder we're in perpetual financial trouble. I want to recall our entire looney government and start over.

Maybe so but GM will not spend too much time catering to specific states. It might make a high emmisions car and a mid emmisions car for everyone else.

This is just history repeating itself. We'll take a hit in the shortrun and then the auto manufacturers will eventually design performance into the current emmision regulations.

ArcAngel · 01-26-2009, 12:13 PM

there is no replacement for displacement!!!!!!! FT treehugers!!!

blackZbandit · 01-26-2009, 12:22 PM

As much as I love the sound of a big V8 and smelling exhaust fumes as long as we maintain our reliance on fossil fuels and other non-renewable energy sources we'll be stuck between the proverbial Scylla and Charybdis; a diminishing, finite supply (especially domestically) and the accompanying environmental issues.

Electric engines are tourque monsters and will only get better as time goes on. As far as the sound, well I know it'll never be true to the real deal but they already have sound systems you can install in your car that will mimic the exhaust notes of high performance vehicles at their appropriate gear/revs.

nester7929 · 01-26-2009, 12:34 PM

The problem is that different standards of emissions require automakers to retool cars depending on what states they are going to. If the government is going to establish tougher standards, unfortunately it needs to be uniform for the Big 3 not to suffer from it.

And why does California always have to be the one state that causes problems?

*GTAHVIT* · 01-26-2009, 12:56 PM

I don't know. GM sells a lot of cars to CA. The possibility exists that any emissions standard enforced by CA may be implemented in all GM cars due to the large sales numbers from that state.

I'd be willing to bet they sell more cars to CA than any other state...

01-26-2009, 10:45 AM	#4
CWI Helping Build America Drives: 2010 2SS/RS,LS3 2013 Duramax 3500HD Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Freeport LPG Export Posts: 3,836 View My Garage	I wish rush hour traffic moved as fast as that pic shows. The article isn't all correct anyway. They list the states that have adopted California's emissions standards. WRONG. Oregon only has a few counties that require emissions testing, not the whole state. I didn't read the whole story but I wouldn't doubt there are more inconsistancies. We will always have a way to have performance even if we can't buy it new that way. __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit, what a ride!"

01-26-2009, 10:55 AM	#5
Rodrunner Senior Member Drives: 2010 SS/RS, '06 350Z Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: So. Maryland Posts: 2,326	I can see it now...the muscle car of the future - all electric with a secondary audio system to output the throaty sound of a powerful V8. :( __________________ 2SS/RS - Black/Black - CGM Rally Stripes - Auto - VIN 10171

01-26-2009, 11:16 AM	#9
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	Looks like I'll be going across state lines to buy my Camaro. Good job losing those sales taxes and fees, California. It is no wonder we're in perpetual financial trouble. I want to recall our entire looney government and start over. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

01-26-2009, 12:13 PM	#11
ArcAngel Drives: 07 Black Cobalt SS/SC Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manalapan-NJ Posts: 2,872	there is no replacement for displacement!!!!!!! FT treehugers!!! __________________ Through HIM you believe in GOD, who raised HIM from the dead and Glorified him..

01-26-2009, 12:22 PM	#12
blackZbandit Drives: BLACK ON BLACK 2012 CAMARO SS Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LOS ANGELES, CA Posts: 743 View My Garage	As much as I love the sound of a big V8 and smelling exhaust fumes as long as we maintain our reliance on fossil fuels and other non-renewable energy sources we'll be stuck between the proverbial Scylla and Charybdis; a diminishing, finite supply (especially domestically) and the accompanying environmental issues. Electric engines are tourque monsters and will only get better as time goes on. As far as the sound, well I know it'll never be true to the real deal but they already have sound systems you can install in your car that will mimic the exhaust notes of high performance vehicles at their appropriate gear/revs. __________________ BLACK CAR + FLAT BLACK STRIPES + BLACK WHEELS = BLK PW3R!! **Thanks to Silver Streak for the pic I used to make this sig**

01-26-2009, 10:41 AM	#2
Chemical Drives: 2SS RS Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 710	there are some more powerful electric vehicles out there... more powerful than any V8 at the least. If anyone is worried about speed, the electric vehicle will tear the road. If your worried about sound then theres a problem.

01-26-2009, 10:44 AM	#3
Silver Streak Drives: 2008 Cobalt SS/TC Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Smyrna Bch. Florida Posts: 1,449 View My Garage	New standards on 2011 models! This is not something that we didn't know it was coming. IMO, don't really think this will effect our orders or the 2010 models. I hope not anyways. I agree though, get them while you can! BTW we will learn how to make anything fast, that will never go away! That being said, I am not worried about my order and don't think anything will be changing soon enough to make me worried! Still looking forward to my SS.

01-26-2009, 12:34 PM	#13
nester7929 Rice Harvester Drives: 2014 Bright Yellow 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2008 Location: Plainview, TX Posts: 1,449	The problem is that different standards of emissions require automakers to retool cars depending on what states they are going to. If the government is going to establish tougher standards, unfortunately it needs to be uniform for the Big 3 not to suffer from it. And why does California always have to be the one state that causes problems?

01-26-2009, 12:56 PM	#14
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,441 View My Garage	I don't know. GM sells a lot of cars to CA. The possibility exists that any emissions standard enforced by CA may be implemented in all GM cars due to the large sales numbers from that state. I'd be willing to bet they sell more cars to CA than any other state... __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

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