So..what exactly is the difference between Kooks and Knockoffs? (in pictures) - Page 2 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

wbt · 01-09-2011, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

I would say given the attention CAI tests get here 4-5HP does matter to a lot of people. I mean if you only want to spend $300 for headers..then yes..it is easy to ignore. However if you seriously put some consideration into what you put on your car, it matters.

Take that $900+ and invest in suspension, other HP mods, etc. and you are ahead of the game of the fella' who invested in a set of $1,500 headers.

We are talking cam and head porting $$$.

To the masses....pick your parts wisely.

I would not spend less on a Chinese made cam but for a non-moving part, you bet.

MarylandSpeed · 01-09-2011, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wbt

Take that $900+ and invest in suspension, other HP mods, etc. and you are ahead of the game of the fella' who invested in a set of $1,500 headers.

We are talking cam and head porting $$$.

To the masses....pick your parts wisely.

I would not spend less on a Chinese made cam but for a non-moving part, you bet.

Also apples to apples..meaning off road systems, Kooks is not $900 more if you call around. You are off by several hundred dollars.

*KILLER74Z28* · 01-09-2011, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

I just want people to see the differences, then they can make their choice. There are a lot of people who will never have a chance to see both sets back to back.

Thanks for the comparison... I went with ARH and all I can say is I'm glad I did, (ARH quality is second to none) especially after seeing these pics. You do get what you pay for...

wbt · 01-09-2011, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

Also apples to apples..meaning off road systems, Kooks is not $900 more if you call around. You are off by several hundred dollars.

I took prices directly from your site as a comparison.

*Mindz* · 01-09-2011, 03:16 AM

Lots of effort must have been put into this in order to break it down as detailed as you did. Nice comparo!

MarylandSpeed · 01-09-2011, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by wbt

I took prices directly from your site as a comparison.

As I stated in my post "if you call around"

BlaSSt Off · 01-09-2011, 03:43 AM

I bought Kooks from you guys and I love them. wbt is saying its not rational to pay a few hundred more for something built here in America, with better quality, and looks alot better then the knock offs, but if he really wanted to be rational, he wouldnt have bought the Challenger RT since the Camaro is a better performer and cheaper or the Mustang since its just about equal of a performer but the Camaro holds resale better... HMMM!!! Wbt just wants to stir up $hit and talk about being rational because he doesnt like the Camaro.

Thanks to companies like Maryland Speed and Jannety, people can make informed choices. Sure they are more expensive and of coarse a buisness is going to try and sale people on the products they sale, but either way Kooks and ARH make the same gains and are pretty much metal art while the cheap shit wbt puts on his challenger and mustang looks like its held together with boogers.

It gets old hearing people bash a company that is putting out factual information to let people know what they are spending money on. I wish people like that would just STFU and go cry on a mustang or challenger forum.

Sorry... end rant.

BlaSSt Off · 01-09-2011, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wbt

I took prices directly from your site as a comparison.

Call... as in telephone. And they actually speak english unlike the people on the other end(if you can actually get anybody) when you order the knock offs. Its called customer service and its awesome.

mikeSS · 01-09-2011, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaSSt Off

Call... as in telephone. And they actually speak english unlike the people on the other end(if you can actually get anybody) when you order the knock offs. Its called customer service and its awesome.

raped

wbt · 01-09-2011, 04:19 AM

Hahaha!!!

Not raped by any means.

Feel free to exercise your frustration on me as I no longer own a 5th gen Camaro. There are plenty of reasons I don't.

1. Under-performs compared to the Mustang GT.

Takes thousands of $$$ to do the same as 2011 GT can do for a fraction of the cost.

2. Lack of room as a daily driver for a family.

Challenger meets this need very nicely and is just as quick as the Camaro SS's at the local track.

3. Cost.

I purchased both the Mustang GT and Challenger R/T for less than my Camaro SS. Both are a better value period and my R/T performs the same as a SS at our local track.

To quell any bullshit about performance:

If you are interested in running at the track, feel free to PM me.

Outside of personal reasons and back OT....I never once said Maryland or JR weren't stand up companies. They do great things for many communities. I disagree with the topic of the post and provided very valid reasons why. Many Camaro owners would agree with me and it has been debated here heavily.

It boils down to what you as a consumer are comfortable with. There is no debate about that. Having a choice is a privilege.

Wilburbeest · 01-09-2011, 04:27 AM

I can see how the knockoffs might have their place.....but I wouldn't put them on my car. I'll just say that. Personally, if I was trying to work on a budget I would rather buy a properly built mild steel header, even if it wasn't coated (and of course take measures to prevent rust), than a stainless header with that poor of workmanship.

mikeSS · 01-09-2011, 04:29 AM

well i must say the new 5.0L is a nice car, one of my good friends has one with 500HP. the challenger is just complete trash, idk why even post a video of that lol

wbt · 01-09-2011, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeSS

well i must say the new 5.0L is a nice car, one of my good friends has one with 500HP. the challenger is just complete trash, idk why even post a video of that lol

1. Because you are ignorant.
2. It performs just as well as the Camaro SS on the same track.

You going to call all the local Camaro SS's trash?

Let me know when you are ready to line up.

I'll be sure to post your accomplishments.

mikeSS · 01-09-2011, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by wbt

1. Because you are ignorant.
2. It performs just as well as the Camaro SS on the same track.

You going to call all the local Camaro SS's trash?

Let me know when you are ready to line up.

I'll be sure to post your accomplishments.

man if i was your age i would really show you what a car is. and no a R/T is not as fast as a SS . it has less HP and is heavier.

sorry at 19 years old i cant compete with a grown man at a track.

01-09-2011, 03:16 AM	#19
Mindz E.B.A.H. Drives: you wild... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In the happy padded room wearing a jacket that makes me hug myself... Posts: 18,420	Lots of effort must have been put into this in order to break it down as detailed as you did. Nice comparo! __________________ Blue Rush, 2010 SS [Car of the Week 3/22/2010] Traded in on...ZLZBUBB, 2013 ZL1

01-09-2011, 04:19 AM	#24
wbt Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Challenger R/T;2011 Mustang GT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 2,105	Hahaha!!! Not raped by any means. Feel free to exercise your frustration on me as I no longer own a 5th gen Camaro. There are plenty of reasons I don't. 1. Under-performs compared to the Mustang GT. Takes thousands of $$$ to do the same as 2011 GT can do for a fraction of the cost. 2. Lack of room as a daily driver for a family. Challenger meets this need very nicely and is just as quick as the Camaro SS's at the local track. 3. Cost. I purchased both the Mustang GT and Challenger R/T for less than my Camaro SS. Both are a better value period and my R/T performs the same as a SS at our local track. To quell any bullshit about performance: If you are interested in running at the track, feel free to PM me. Outside of personal reasons and back OT....I never once said Maryland or JR weren't stand up companies. They do great things for many communities. I disagree with the topic of the post and provided very valid reasons why. Many Camaro owners would agree with me and it has been debated here heavily. It boils down to what you as a consumer are comfortable with. There is no debate about that. Having a choice is a privilege.

01-09-2011, 04:27 AM	#25
Wilburbeest Think With Your Dipstick! Drives: 1997 Camaro Z28 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 185	I can see how the knockoffs might have their place.....but I wouldn't put them on my car. I'll just say that. Personally, if I was trying to work on a budget I would rather buy a properly built mild steel header, even if it wasn't coated (and of course take measures to prevent rust), than a stainless header with that poor of workmanship. __________________ - Willy 1997 Camaro Z28 (LT1/T56): K&N CAI \| Kooks 1 3/4" LTs \| 3" Custom Duals \| UMI LCAs w/ relocation brackets \| UMI adj. panhard bar \| UMI adj. torque arm \| Koni SA shocks \| Strano Springs \| Ram Powergrip clutch \| Pro 5.0 shifter \| skip shift eliminator kit \| WS6 Store rotors \| Hawk HPS pads

01-09-2011, 03:43 AM	#21
BlaSSt Off Drives: 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 586	I bought Kooks from you guys and I love them. wbt is saying its not rational to pay a few hundred more for something built here in America, with better quality, and looks alot better then the knock offs, but if he really wanted to be rational, he wouldnt have bought the Challenger RT since the Camaro is a better performer and cheaper or the Mustang since its just about equal of a performer but the Camaro holds resale better... HMMM!!! Wbt just wants to stir up $hit and talk about being rational because he doesnt like the Camaro. Thanks to companies like Maryland Speed and Jannety, people can make informed choices. Sure they are more expensive and of coarse a buisness is going to try and sale people on the products they sale, but either way Kooks and ARH make the same gains and are pretty much metal art while the cheap shit wbt puts on his challenger and mustang looks like its held together with boogers. It gets old hearing people bash a company that is putting out factual information to let people know what they are spending money on. I wish people like that would just STFU and go cry on a mustang or challenger forum. Sorry... end rant.

01-09-2011, 04:29 AM	#26
mikeSS Drives: 2015 c7 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MI Posts: 7,462	well i must say the new 5.0L is a nice car, one of my good friends has one with 500HP. the challenger is just complete trash, idk why even post a video of that lol