ABL (ambient lighting) limited to the doors only?

[StoutFiles]

According to our information, ambient Light (ABL) should be available at start of production on the 2LT and 2SS 2010 Camaro models. It consists of lighting around the door trim and instrument panels.

About the only thing we learned from this standard cookie cutter email is that ABL is the correct way to reference ambient lighting. No mention of the dash...dash is leaning towards a 0% chance of being available given all the evidence we currently have.

I wonder what "should" means...if it isn't ready, do they just delay those orders or go forth without it?

So tired of this subject

Then avoid the topic? It's something that should interest everyone who has it as it will affect the entire interior of the car. Not to mention it's already paid for.

[OUR72GTO]

What "evidence" ???

[StoutFiles]

What "evidence" ???

There have been numerous sources mentioning problems with ABL and now we have multiple sources(they aren't great, but it's better than the sound of silence from GM) saying there will be no ABL on the dash. If FBod or anyone else from GM would like to come in and say otherwise, they are welcome. I'd say the odds of that are slim to none though.

If you've got some evidence to share that ABL is perfectly fine and will be presented like in the old startup video or the Dubai video, please share! If not, we can go back forth all day where I state what evidence has been scrounged up(scrounged because GM will not share info when the topic is negative) and then you can ask me to repeat everything that's already been mentioned in this topic and other ABL topics.

[OUR72GTO]

HE did step in........

Told everyone to STOP speculating .

There is no " evidence"

[FenwickHockey65]

Would everyone please take a look at the second post in this thread?

Thanks.

[djsnoflake]

I'll repeat what Fbod says.

Originally Posted by fbodfather

ok everyone -- I'm a bit tired -- long days and long nites -- so if this sounds a bit harsh -- sorry:

please stop with the speculation about ambient lighting.


We know you love it.

We love it.

We want it right -- and if it ain't right - then we don't do it or we delay it.

now - I'm going to bed --

Thats the best that you're gonna get for now, so everyone go outside and look at some trees and bunnies for awhile, cause there's still another 40 days or so for you to worry about this, and you are all gonna be bald at this rate.

[LadiesMan217]

Originally Posted by djsnoflake

I'll repeat what Fbod says.


Thats the best that you're gonna get for now, so everyone go outside and look at some trees and bunnies for awhile, cause there's still another 40 days or so for you to worry about this, and you are all gonna be bald at this rate.

I can see how frustrating it must be for Scott. Putting so much time, effort, and work into a project and people still finding something to nitpick about.

That being said, his post says, "if it ain't right - then we don't do it or we delay it"

Well, if those people that purchased the 2LT or 2SS because of this option...and they do delay it or cancel it...will these people see any refund?

It's the same thing as saying, "The 2LT and 2SS" will have 20" rims. Then after people have been ordering the car, they realize that the 20" rims are too large for the vehicle and can only offer 19's.

People may opt out of purchasing the 2LT or 2SS because they'd rather save the money and go aftermarket.

I have faith that we'll be getting it...but in what form...

But, you always have to wonder "what if" if it can't be finalized.

[StoutFiles]

Originally Posted by fbodfather View Post
ok everyone -- I'm a bit tired -- long days and long nites -- so if this sounds a bit harsh -- sorry:

please stop with the speculation about ambient lighting.


We know you love it.

We love it.

We want it right -- and if it ain't right - then we don't do it or we delay it.

now - I'm going to bed --

Do they consider just the door panels right? And why should we stop speculating about ABL if nobody from GM will give some concrete info on it?

The post just sounds like "I don't want to deal with this topic I have no positive info about, just make it all go away." I don't care if the info is negative; I and everyone else deserve to hear it.

And about everyone saying "they gave us so much info in the past, more than they had to" well that's great. But right NOW, when it really matters, when money is on the table and my order is about to be pulled, I'm in the dark on an option that is the difference between 1SS and 2SS. In contrast, Ford kept the Mustang in the dark forever but right NOW, when it really matters, I can get all the '10 Mustang info I need, straight from their website.

All I ask is that everyone put their GM/Camaro fanboyism to the side and start demanding some answers instead of being told to forget about it while they take people's money.

[djsnoflake]

But right NOW, when it really matters, when money is on the table and my order is about to be pulled,

I said it before when people were threatening to cancel because stripes weren't long enough: Go ahead and cancel so you are one less person eating up an allocation and I get my car quicker.
If you need some cool lights and arent sure if they are coming, pull your order and wait. Or get some neon lights, or buy a mustang. Whatever it takes, but do what you feel comfortable with.
Everyone has to do the best they can with the info we have, and right now, we don't know anything so you can
1: Cancel/Delay your order
2: Get a model with no ABL
3; Wait, you know like you used to have to before Christmas when you were little and you didn't know what your presents would be, but you were pretty sure they were gonna be awesome, well except maybe the one from your grandma, because she knits ugly sweaters that get you beat up at school?

And now to help make everyone happy:



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[bolteon593]

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

Do they consider just the door panels right? And why should we stop speculating about ABL if nobody from GM will give some concrete info on it?

The post just sounds like "I don't want to deal with this topic I have no positive info about, just make it all go away." I don't care if the info is negative; I and everyone else deserve to hear it.

And about everyone saying "they gave us so much info in the past, more than they had to" well that's great. But right NOW, when it really matters, when money is on the table and my order is about to be pulled, I'm in the dark on an option that is the difference between 1SS and 2SS. In contrast, Ford kept the Mustang in the dark forever but right NOW, when it really matters, I can get all the '10 Mustang info I need, straight from their website.

All I ask is that everyone put their GM/Camaro fanboyism to the side and start demanding some answers instead of being told to forget about it while they take people's money.

pardon my language but who the heck are you to be demanding anything from gm or any other car manufacturer?


they release information on this car way in advance, way way way in advance comparative to other cars.


usually, we'd be finding out what engine is under the hood at this point, and we'd have no idea what abl is to begin with.


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go outside and grow some patience, if you dont like it sod off. no one is gonna miss your complaints and the car you would be ordering is probably gonna go to someone who appreciates the efforts that gm is making (regardless of our economic climate) more.



*tired of people crying like 15 year olds when they dont get their curfew lifted on a friday night*

[OUR72GTO]

I'll have some of what he said!!!!!!!!

[Tal]

Obviously GM doesn't want speculation because they are working on it, and very well could resolve whatever issue(s) exist before production begins with absoloutely no direct customer impact. While just as obviously potential buyers and especially preorder customers are very interested in exactly what they have ordered, and what they will be getting. We are close enough to production that this is a bit beyond simply playing things close to the vest for a competive edge, clearly GM has a concern with ambient lighting, which means potential buyers of ambient lighting equipped cars have reason to be concerned as well. Given that those potential buyers are not only car enthusiasts that are excited enough about the car to not just pre-order it without even a test drive, and the fact that this is a message board it's just not realistic to expect there not to be some speculation, the most that can be hoped for is that nobody gets to crazy with taking rumors or deductions in these speculation threads as solid fact.

[OUR72GTO]

Thus rumors do not = "evidence "

[StoutFiles]

they release information on this car way in advance, way way way in advance comparative to other cars.

I just talked about this. This doesn't matter because right now there is more info about the Mustang than the Camaro. I'd rather have 100% of the info now than 95% of the info in the past.

usually, we'd be finding out what engine is under the hood at this point, and we'd have no idea what abl is to begin with.

We still have no idea what we'll be getting with ABL, if we even get it at all. And we paid for it.

Obviously GM doesn't want speculation because they are working on it, and very well could resolve whatever issue(s) exist before production begins with absoloutely no direct customer impact.

Fair enough. GM needs to say this and then state what will happen for a backup plan. Will certain cars be delayed to get ABL? Will the price go down if the model doesn't include ABL? Even an honest "I don't know but I'll try to find out" would be nice rather than a "I know, but I can't tell".

Everyone has to do the best they can with the info we have, and right now, we don't know anything so you can
1: Cancel/Delay your order
2: Get a model with no ABL
3; Wait, you know like you used to have to before Christmas when you were little and you didn't know what your presents would be, but you were pretty sure they were gonna be awesome, well except maybe the one from your grandma, because she knits ugly sweaters that get you beat up at school?

1. I could cancel and forfeit my deposit. Also, I cannot delay my order as I've already tried, you get it when you get it. Dealerships want the cars in asap so they can sell them, whether someone's there to buy it. The line order is not negotiable.

2. Or get what I was promised...I'll do that.

3. I have not insulted anyone here; please try to debate maturely if you choose to debate.

Thus rumors do not = "evidence "

Who says they're rumors if no one from GM has tried to squash them?