2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS Convertible vs 2011 Ford Mustang GT

[210_punisher]

With the all new Camaro Convertible due to hit showrooms soon, Motortrend got a hold of one and put it up against it's Ford rival.

Read the full story here: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/index.html

[snakekiller]

weight kills performance.

[RLHMARINES]

It's not the weight that's killing the Camaro's time, it's the engines break-in torque management on the drive train that gm has on it's cars. The Camaro gets much better after anywhere from 1500-3000 miles on the odometer as an engine break-in safeguard to the drivetrain. I would like to see how many tenth's of a second the Camaro picks up after break-in on a long term test or with a car that's been broken in.

[coolman]

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Another review bitching about the steering wheel and shift knob. They even said it was a "fatal flaw" in the Camaro. Really?

[Mike-D]

Hate to say it but the video dont lie. Mustang beat it in both races. Chevy will have to step it up again.

[08-G35s/6MT]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Another review bitching about the steering wheel and shift knob. They even said it was a "fatal flaw" in the Camaro. Really?

You sure are still in step 2 of the "How to get through your car losing a comparo in a magazine" process. Will contine pointing this out to several people in order to aid in their overwhelming personal struggles over these truly tragic car magazine comparo results.....

Step 2:
(Attacks frequently center around the “fairness” of a comparo test and often take a personal bent. Here are a few common ones: “You’re on the take.” “Your magazine has an American/European/Japanese car bias. Probably all three.” “My Corvette(random example) shouldn’t be compared with anything—it’s in a league of its own.” “You’re stupid.”)



Having the flaws where you touch constantly(steering wheel, shifter, etc.) is like having a wife with crusty withered lips(all the time) or having a deformed face(but looks good on the exterior or from afar, for she wears a very realistic looking mask). You may still love her, but that initial attraction was falsely conceded if she were to take off the mask on a first date, i.e. if you get a divorce and she dates someone else, per say(a hypothetical situation of course). See their point ? They aren't stupid just because they say something bad about the Camaro... try thinking from their point of view, instead of your biased point of view that you have of their point of view.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

It's not the weight that's killing the Camaro's time, it's the engines break-in torque management on the drive train that gm has on it's cars. The Camaro gets much better after anywhere from 1500-3000 miles on the odometer as an engine break-in safeguard to the drivetrain. I would like to see how many tenth's of a second the Camaro picks up after break-in on a long term test or with a car that's been broken in.

Weight is weight. You can break in a car all you want, the pounds are not going to away on their own. It isn't like the engine will suddenly feel like it has a supercharger on it once it is broken in. Whatever hp gain you might think it gets after break in is very negligible. The other car gets broken in too, then what?

[66olds442]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Step 2:
(Attacks frequently center around the “fairness” of a comparo test and often take a personal bent. Here are a few common ones: “You’re on the take.” “Your magazine has an American/European/Japanese car bias. Probably all three.” “My Corvette(random example) shouldn’t be compared with anything—it’s in a league of its own.” “You’re stupid.”)

While I agree with that whole Step 2, most of the MT reviews, that is the only complaint about the Camaro. They don't mention at all the Mustangs (IMO ugly) styling and the horrid rear end. Or the fact that the steering wheel on the mustang is hard to grasp at many angles.

I personally LOVE the 10 & 2 notches for my thumbs on the camaro and I have not used a better steering wheel in a production car to date. As for the shifter the complain about... there is always the hurst shifter.... but I NEVER have seen that reviewed on a Camaro.

[BigDan]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

You sure are still in step 2 of the "How to get through your car losing a comparo in a magazine" process. Will contine pointing this out to several people in order to aid in their overwhelming personal struggles over these truly tragic car magazine comparo results.....

Step 2:
(Attacks frequently center around the “fairness” of a comparo test and often take a personal bent. Here are a few common ones: “You’re on the take.” “Your magazine has an American/European/Japanese car bias. Probably all three.” “My Corvette(random example) shouldn’t be compared with anything—it’s in a league of its own.” “You’re stupid.”)



Having the flaws where you touch constantly(steering wheel, shifter, etc.) is like having a wife with crusty withered lips(all the time) or having a deformed face(but looks good on the exterior or from afar, for she wears a very realistic looking mask). You may still love her, but that initial attraction was falsely conceded if she were to take off the mask on a first date, i.e. if you get a divorce and she dates someone else, per say(a hypothetical situation of course). See their point ? They aren't stupid just because they say something bad about the Camaro... try thinking from their point of view, instead of your biased point of view that you have of their point of view.

[Amenti]

Anyone notice that the Camaro's tire selection handicaps it quite a bit? In order to keep the fender well gap appearance consistant across all models, the tire size is adjusted with each different type of (stock) rim to create a 28.7" overall tire diameter.

The 2010+ mustangs have a tire selection that gives them a 27.1" or 27.7" (depending on options) overall tire diameter. That means lighter weight, less rotational mass, better overall handling, and quicker acceleration.

There's already an example of someone shaving .4 seconds off of their (V6 Camaro) 1/4 mile time by reducing their rear tire diameter to somewhere under 27" and keeping all other mods constant.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by Amenti

There's already an example of someone shaving .4 seconds off of their (V6 Camaro) 1/4 mile time by reducing their rear tire diameter to somewhere under 27" and keeping all other mods constant.

What kind of tire did they switch to? I find it hard to believe the same tire in a different diameter would make that much of a difference. However, switching to a much stickier tire would do the trick.

[BigDan]

Originally Posted by Amenti

Anyone notice that the Camaro's tire selection handicaps it quite a bit? In order to keep the fender well gap appearance consistant across all models, the tire size is adjusted with each different type of (stock) rim to create a 28.7" overall tire diameter.

The 2010+ mustangs have a tire selection that gives them a 27.1" or 27.7" (depending on options) overall tire diameter. That means lighter weight, less rotational mass, better overall handling, and quicker acceleration.

There's already an example of someone shaving .4 seconds off of their (V6 Camaro) 1/4 mile time by reducing their rear tire diameter to somewhere under 27" and keeping all other mods constant.

All that's is doing is effectively changing the final gear ratio and rev's per mile and its been proven that the higher ratio geared GT's are the quickest in the 1/4 and that minute change in ratio might not effect the Camaro at all.

When I swapped out my factory 28" rear tires for 26" DR I was expecting huge gain's but there wasn't any. I was bummed out so I decided to stuff the wells with 28" DR's instead of having goofy 26" rear's.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

You sure are still in step 2 of the "How to get through your car losing a comparo in a magazine" process. Will contine pointing this out to several people in order to aid in their overwhelming personal struggles over these truly tragic car magazine comparo results.....

STFU, troll. It's a stupid reason to bitch about a car. I don't give a crap how clever you think you are.

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Having the flaws where you touch constantly(steering wheel, shifter, etc.) is like having a wife with crusty withered lips(all the time) or having a deformed face(but looks good on the exterior or from afar, for she wears a very realistic looking mask). You may still love her, but that initial attraction was falsely conceded if she were to take off the mask on a first date, i.e. if you get a divorce and she dates someone else, per say(a hypothetical situation of course). See their point ? They aren't stupid just because they say something bad about the Camaro... try thinking from their point of view, instead of your biased point of view that you have of their point of view.

It's not flawed to me, but I don't have dwarf hands nor hold the shifter like you hold your boyfriends cock. It's a regular steering wheel and shifter; neither is wrapped in barbed wire and electrified. Don't talk to me like I don't drive my own car and know.

And I tired of dilweeds like you popping out of the wookwork to defend every weird and unlikely-seeming flaw a crappy reviewer can come up with to dis a car, just because they are dis-ing the Camaro. I don't recall steering wheel depth and shifter shape being listed in automobile specs, I've never seen car guys drooling over the steering wheel depth or the shifter shape, and I've never seen a chick get hot after looking at the car's steering wheel depth and shifter shape.

That these guys say it's a fatal flaw, when it so obviously isn't, is hilarious. The 2010 Mustang had a fatal flaw, a massively underpowered engine compared to both the Camaro and Challenger. A spherical shifter knob with the sides flattened is not a fatal flaw.

And it would be nice to read a comparison of the new Camaro convertible that had more to it than teen angst and a raging boner for the Mustang, don't you think?