The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by stand-al0ne

Damn, thats fast. Thanks for sharing that

The video is posted here somewhere.

Slicks + skinnies up front and the guy ran 11.11 @ 124.xx mph in his 2011 GT500.

[thePill]

Make no mistake about it, this will be the Terminator.. There are several Ford backed websites calling for the name change and circulating that mentality. Even the SVT people have began to accept it.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

but nobody said 60k will be the base model price. Thats just adding words to the article. assuming the base model will jump sooo much in price (20% +) is rediculous. should we assume the 620hp is actually 620RWHP because
"technically im using the same "numbers" in the article"???

Yeah - a lot of people are adding words to the article. Why are my speculations any different than anyone else's? No one else knows either, and this isn't even information from Ford. I don’t think my speculation is any different or less valid than anyone elses.

Originally Posted by stand-al0ne

I dont see those 600hp verts going less than 55-60k.
What car can you buy today with 600 hp (whp or otherwise) for less than $60,000?

Considering current GT500s start more than $55K, I can say I agree. If someone wants to full-option a GT500 and report back with what they find, I'm all ears. I don’t have the time, nor do I care to really spend the time to build a Mustang, lol.

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

What reason do you have to assume it won't be worth the 60k? If it DOES base for 60k, I would bet it will come standard with the electronics package, the recaros, some suspension tweaking (possibly adjustable coilovers like the boss?) etc. Why would this car be any different than every other model 2011+ mustang, which are fantastic values? I really just don't understand why you guys are assuming that the 60k figure is set in stone, but the 620hp figure isn't and that for some reason if it bumps to 60k, they're just going to do that with no real upgrades. If the price does move to 60k, I can almost guarantee it will be a much better overall car. What reason do we have to think it won't be

Point is, "what ifs" are great and all, but it seems a few people here only want to talk the "what ifs" that show the next gt500 in a negative light. Taking all the positive out of the article and just assuming the negative is true is not going to make it reality.

I would certainly hope it would be an improved car for that money. I’m CAMARO-crazy, but that doesn’t automatically mean I think a $60K CAMARO is a good value, or something I’d be interested in. It would have to come with a lot more than what’s been reported for ZL1, and even if I were interested, the same would hold true for the GT500. You ask why we’re assuming $60K price, but not 620 HP, but some of of the other comments do the same thing, but opposite. This car would have to handle like a Boss for me to be impressed. Is that going to be possible, given the weight? I don’t know. I think there’s a chance, because I think ZL1 could at least get close. I’m still not convinced of all the hype Ford and many publications are pushing, but that will bare out as these cars start hitting tracks. I'm still not sold on the SRA being as good as IRS. Before someone points to the Boss, let's not take anything away from CAMARO having only been out for a couple years and is still young in it's development. I believe we're just getting started. With all the bracing that it takes to make the structure effective in planting the power, it just seems there were measures Ford used to keep the weight down, and those were possibly compromises to overall strength. I know there are Sponsors here that add bracing to the Mustang chassis to maximize it whereas CAMARO doesn’t requires a LOT less. You’re assuming a lot too, in what you think it will come with. While the value is great from an OEM standpoint, you can take a 1SS, add some suspension goodies from one of our Sponsors, and have a GREAT SS, too, for probably cheaper. Add a cam and you’ll have more power.

I love how all the Mustang boys come out of the wood work here when something like this comes up and all of a sudden, it's a bunch of CAMARO-hating. None of them want to give any worth to the technology that is going into ZL1. The fastest acting shocks in the business, real wind tunnel-tuned aerodynamics, and who knows what else. The Mustang guys are the first to come out at any hint one of their cars might have an advantage.

Personally - if this GT500 is based off the same chassis as the current one, I don't think it's worth it. I'm still not convinced this car is going to be worth much more than a 1320' car, just like the current one is. Face it - the current GT500 doesn't do much past drive straight (though it has improved), fast, when you can hook it up. I think the GTs are great values, for overall performance; certainly really good values for handling. I think the opposite of the GT500. Admittedly - I'm more of a straight line type of person, but I can appreciate a good handling car.

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

because some dude recently brought that up on this thread. Its pretty valid though with how much some of these cars are costing and performing these days.

Performance per dollar is what matters to me. I could care less for a car that costs a boatload of money if it doesn't do it's business to that level.

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Yeah but the GTR can only run that best quarter mile time once....then it needs a new $30K transmission

LOL - they fixed that, though, didn't they? Do you keep the warranty no if you use the Launch Control?...

Originally Posted by 2011 5.0

Price wise their not similar. The GTR is triple the cost of a GT or SS. And it's almost double that of the GT500 and ZL1. We all know that these cars were not intended to be super cars like the GTR and the ZR1. Why even compare economy muscle cars to bank breaking super cars? That just seems like a dumb argument.

Assuming the price quoted for the GT-R is $88K, and that's $28K more than the alleged price of the next GT500, I don't think it's as big as a stretch as you are saying. It's certainly not double; again - assuming the GT-R's price is accurate. Just like the M3 wasn't intended to be compared to factory race cars?

Eh – this thread has run it’s course for me. I’m not even interested in purchasing a Mustang while there is a CAMARO, and all this back-and-forth over semantics and speculation is giving me the runs… I don’t think there’s anything anyone’s going to say to change my mind, and vise-versa. I’m done – play nice, or I’LL BE BACK 

[C5RocksC5]

the GT500 seems to always stir things up in this forum. Why?

Oh, the GT-R...I think it is a supercar. My bro-in-law has one and wow! I can never get used to how quickly it can go fast without much traction loss at all. AWD is not something I would consider though.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

The video is posted here somewhere.

Slicks + skinnies up front and the guy ran 11.11 @ 124.xx mph in his 2011 GT500.

WOW! That's Z06 numbers right there!!!

[Sax1031]

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

hey im not the one who brought up the GTR.im just shootin the shit. But you have to admit, if these cars are approaching 60large ones then the GTR isnt toooo far off. I think it would be fairer to compare it to one than comparing a 100,000 dollar Z07 to a GT500 (like a recent mag did) or comparing a GTR to a $130,000 dollar ZR1 (even though its still competitive). just sayin....

Yes, prices are creeping, I think it is a compound effect of prices for cars rising across the board, and also the price of models like the GT500 rising for each refresh as well. Makes the '09 GT500 at $42.5 base MSRP look pretty affordable.....

[Speedy1975]

I'll say this about internet videos of fast cars.

I've only been in to drag racing for about 6 months and in that VERY short time I've learned to take things like that with a grain of salt. Are we seeing mutiple GT500s bone stock with slicks and skinnes running times and speeds like that? And by bone stock does that mean full interior, trunk and all that jazz as well?

Just gotta watch that kinda stuff. I mean if they stripped 500 lbs outta the car.....

[porcupinekiller]

Originally Posted by radz28

Considering current GT500s start more than $55K, I can say I agree. If someone wants to full-option a GT500 and report back with what they find, I'm all ears. I don’t have the time, nor do I care to really spend the time to build a Mustang, lol.

Here's a 2012 GT500 on Ebay. The only option it's missing is the glass roof. They are getting up there in price.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-...item588d20648e

[Ltespd]

Originally Posted by radz28

Yeah - a lot of people are adding words to the article. Why are my speculations any different than anyone else's? No one else knows either, and this isn't even information from Ford. I don’t think my speculation is any different or less valid than anyone elses.



Considering current GT500s start more than $55K, I can say I agree. If someone wants to full-option a GT500 and report back with what they find, I'm all ears. I don’t have the time, nor do I care to really spend the time to build a Mustang, lol.



I would certainly hope it would be an improved car for that money. I’m CAMARO-crazy, but that doesn’t automatically mean I think a $60K CAMARO is a good value, or something I’d be interested in. It would have to come with a lot more than what’s been reported for ZL1, and even if I were interested, the same would hold true for the GT500. You ask why we’re assuming $60K price, but not 620 HP, but some of of the other comments do the same thing, but opposite. This car would have to handle like a Boss for me to be impressed. Is that going to be possible, given the weight? I don’t know. I think there’s a chance, because I think ZL1 could at least get close. I’m still not convinced of all the hype Ford and many publications are pushing, but that will bare out as these cars start hitting tracks. I'm still not sold on the SRA being as good as IRS. Before someone points to the Boss, let's not take anything away from CAMARO having only been out for a couple years and is still young in it's development. I believe we're just getting started. With all the bracing that it takes to make the structure effective in planting the power, it just seems there were measures Ford used to keep the weight down, and those were possibly compromises to overall strength. I know there are Sponsors here that add bracing to the Mustang chassis to maximize it whereas CAMARO doesn’t requires a LOT less. You’re assuming a lot too, in what you think it will come with. While the value is great from an OEM standpoint, you can take a 1SS, add some suspension goodies from one of our Sponsors, and have a GREAT SS, too, for probably cheaper. Add a cam and you’ll have more power.

I love how all the Mustang boys come out of the wood work here when something like this comes up and all of a sudden, it's a bunch of CAMARO-hating. None of them want to give any worth to the technology that is going into ZL1. The fastest acting shocks in the business, real wind tunnel-tuned aerodynamics, and who knows what else. The Mustang guys are the first to come out at any hint one of their cars might have an advantage.

Personally - if this GT500 is based off the same chassis as the current one, I don't think it's worth it. I'm still not convinced this car is going to be worth much more than a 1320' car, just like the current one is. Face it - the current GT500 doesn't do much past drive straight (though it has improved), fast, when you can hook it up. I think the GTs are great values, for overall performance; certainly really good values for handling. I think the opposite of the GT500. Admittedly - I'm more of a straight line type of person, but I can appreciate a good handling car.




Performance per dollar is what matters to me. I could care less for a car that costs a boatload of money if it doesn't do it's business to that level.



LOL - they fixed that, though, didn't they? Do you keep the warranty no if you use the Launch Control?...



Assuming the price quoted for the GT-R is $88K, and that's $28K more than the alleged price of the next GT500, I don't think it's as big as a stretch as you are saying. It's certainly not double; again - assuming the GT-R's price is accurate. Just like the M3 wasn't intended to be compared to factory race cars?

Eh – this thread has run it’s course for me. I’m not even interested in purchasing a Mustang while there is a CAMARO, and all this back-and-forth over semantics and speculation is giving me the runs… I don’t think there’s anything anyone’s going to say to change my mind, and vise-versa. I’m done – play nice, or I’LL BE BACK 

"I’m not even interested in purchasing a Mustang while there is a CAMARO", Of all you wrote...that is the most telling statement.

In your signature you say...
"The name ZL1 has been revived and brought forth to wreak havoc on to the world Guess what. Thats probably not gonna be a true statement. Especially if it can't even be topdog in its own segment.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Ltespd

"I’m not even interested in purchasing a Mustang while there is a CAMARO", Of all you wrote...that is the most telling statement.

In your signature you say...
"The name ZL1 has been revived and brought forth to wreak havoc on to the world Guess what. Thats probably not gonna be a true statement. Especially if it can't even be topdog in its own segment.

Guess what - this is a CAMARO forum. I don't care that I'm taken as any other enthusiast.

Guess what - you know nothing more about this alleged GT500 than ZL1.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious

[thePill]

2012 GT500 Convertible

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I'll say this about internet videos of fast cars.

I've only been in to drag racing for about 6 months and in that VERY short time I've learned to take things like that with a grain of salt. Are we seeing mutiple GT500s bone stock with slicks and skinnes running times and speeds like that? And by bone stock does that mean full interior, trunk and all that jazz as well?

Just gotta watch that kinda stuff. I mean if they stripped 500 lbs outta the car.....

I don't think it is the norm. But it is also not the only GT500 that has run low 11s with just tires.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I'll say this about internet videos of fast cars.

I've only been in to drag racing for about 6 months and in that VERY short time I've learned to take things like that with a grain of salt. Are we seeing mutiple GT500s bone stock with slicks and skinnes running times and speeds like that? And by bone stock does that mean full interior, trunk and all that jazz as well?

Just gotta watch that kinda stuff. I mean if they stripped 500 lbs outta the car.....

i agree with you there. we dont know all the details that go down and how many slower runs were made before that one single "best" run is posted. Also, things like track prep and how "fast" the track is should never be taken lightly. Ive been to the track on a few occasions where everybodies runs were .4-.5 and 4-5mph slower than it should have been, even though it was decent weather!