The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Sax1031]

Same car different track

[BigDan]

Radz28

The new 2011 GT500 starts at $49k not $6k more at $55k. There is brand new 2011's already going for $46k which almost half the cost of the $91k 2012 GTR that Motor Trend tested

Also the 2011 GT500 lapped VIR quicker then the 2010 Gran Sport Vette, so do you still consider the new G500 which pulls 1.0g's a straight line car?

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by BigDan

Radz28

The new 2011 GT500 starts at $49k not $6k more at $55k. There is brand new 2011's already going for $46k which almost half the cost of the $91k 2012 GTR that Motor Trend tested

Also the 2011 GT500 lapped VIR quicker then the 2010 Gran Sport Vette, so do you still consider the new G500 which pulls 1.0g's a straight line car?

Ha!! Sorry can't help but chuckle.

A GT500 would be better compared with the Z06, not a GranD Sport, which it can't beat. The GT500 is making 120 HP more than the LS3 in the Corvette. Not sure I'd hang my hat on that one.

And pulling 1G is certainly possible with a solid rear axle..................doesn't mean the car can handle though. IRS will give you flexibilty that the solid axle can't. Don't get me wrong, GT500 is a sweet car, as is the 5.0. Openly admitted. Just don't come in saying solid rear axle is as good. Can you imagine how good the Mustang could be with an IRS? I can. I also know how much more it would cost and weigh.

It's just fun because these comparisons just create good discusion and debate. Just pointing out you aren't comparing the GT500 to the car GM would put in that category. Which now begs the question why the GT500 guys aren't just saying, "hey!! almost as good as a Z06 but at a $20,000 price advantage." Now you'd have a good discussion.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ha!! Sorry can't help but chuckle.

A GT500 would be better compared with the Z06, not a GranD Sport, which it can't beat. The GT500 is making 120 HP more than the LS3 in the Corvette. Not sure I'd hang my hat on that one.

And pulling 1G is certainly possible with a solid rear axle..................doesn't mean the car can handle though. IRS will give you flexibilty that the solid axle can't. Don't get me wrong, GT500 is a sweet car, as is the 5.0. Openly admitted. Just don't come in saying solid rear axle is as good. Can you imagine how good the Mustang could be with an IRS? I can. I also know how much more it would cost and weigh.

It's just fun because these comparisons just create good discusion and debate. Just pointing out you aren't comparing the GT500 to the car GM would put in that category. Which now begs the question why the GT500 guys aren't just saying, "hey!! almost as good as a Z06 but at a $20,000 price advantage." Now you'd have a good discussion.

Number 3,
Do you know where I can get a full spec sheet on the Tremec TR6060 MH3? It is not on Tremec's site nor is in any GM publishing's. Can you point me in the right direction, I cannot access team ZR1's website because I have a German IP address (I guess team Corvette and team Porsche don't get along).

I would like to look at the MH3 on paper.

any help would be appreciated..

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by thePill

Number 3,
Do you know where I can get a full spec sheet on the Tremec TR6060 MH3? It is not on Tremec's site nor is in any GM publishing's. Can you point me in the right direction, I cannot access team ZR1's website because I have a German IP address (I guess team Corvette and team Porsche don't get along).

I would like to look at the MH3 on paper.

any help would be appreciated..

Sorry, Pill. I have to see if that's a) information I can find and b) if that's information I can share

Just haven't had a chance. I'll see what I can find.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ha!! Sorry can't help but chuckle.

A GT500 would be better compared with the Z06, not a GranD Sport, which it can't beat. The GT500 is making 120 HP more than the LS3 in the Corvette. Not sure I'd hang my hat on that one.

And pulling 1G is certainly possible with a solid rear axle..................doesn't mean the car can handle though. IRS will give you flexibilty that the solid axle can't. Don't get me wrong, GT500 is a sweet car, as is the 5.0. Openly admitted. Just don't come in saying solid rear axle is as good. Can you imagine how good the Mustang could be with an IRS? I can. I also know how much more it would cost and weigh.

It's just fun because these comparisons just create good discusion and debate. Just pointing out you aren't comparing the GT500 to the car GM would put in that category. Which now begs the question why the GT500 guys aren't just saying, "hey!! almost as good as a Z06 but at a $20,000 price advantage." Now you'd have a good discussion.

how much does the corvette gran sport sell for?

[thePill]

This is all I can find, I cannot find any technical specifications..

[thePill]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Sorry, Pill. I have to see if that's a) information I can find and b) if that's information I can share

Just haven't had a chance. I'll see what I can find.

Ah, I understand.. If not its cool...

I was wondering why there were so many dead ends on this.

[81z28355]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ha!! Sorry can't help but chuckle.

A GT500 would be better compared with the Z06, not a GranD Sport, which it can't beat. The GT500 is making 120 HP more than the LS3 in the Corvette. Not sure I'd hang my hat on that one.

And pulling 1G is certainly possible with a solid rear axle..................doesn't mean the car can handle though. IRS will give you flexibilty that the solid axle can't. Don't get me wrong, GT500 is a sweet car, as is the 5.0. Openly admitted. Just don't come in saying solid rear axle is as good. Can you imagine how good the Mustang could be with an IRS? I can. I also know how much more it would cost and weigh.

It's just fun because these comparisons just create good discusion and debate. Just pointing out you aren't comparing the GT500 to the car GM would put in that category. Which now begs the question why the GT500 guys aren't just saying, "hey!! almost as good as a Z06 but at a $20,000 price advantage." Now you'd have a good discussion.

So based on that and you working for GM IF the ZL1 has 550 HP GM would benchmark a ZO6? Wow should be a heck of a car. I guess if it has 600hp GM will have it smoking a ZO6 and running with the ZR1. Or do you think price point is a better way of comparing cars rather than HP?

[thePill]

Then I can only assume that Tremec went with the standard 620ft lbs of torque rated at 4000lbs vehicle weight (4000 is a generic weight Tremec's rate Corvette transmissions at because they are so light). If team Camaro was to pursue the rumored 620hp GT500 then it is absolutely imperative that the ZL1 be 4000lbs or less if the LSA was increased to that figure or the LS9 was tabled to option.

The MG9 currently isn't factory capable of producing numbers north of 560 unless the ZL1 was to weigh considerably less than 4255lbs (I figure 4105lbs). Traction would have to be figured in as well but I think at that weight (4105lbs), the torque could reach 560-570 and still be safely used and warrantied from Tremec... unless they are d!cks about it. Lose another 105lbs...

[BigDan]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ha!! Sorry can't help but chuckle.

A GT500 would be better compared with the Z06, not a GranD Sport, which it can't beat.

Here's is the lap's times since you failed to search before you replied.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2011-for...nds-video.html

Originally Posted by Number 3

Just don't come in saying solid rear axle is as good. Can you imagine how good the Mustang could be with an IRS? Sure its called the 03/04 Cobra and their IRS didn't live up to all the hype.

It's just fun because these comparisons just create good discusion and debate.
+1

[thePill]

Originally Posted by Number 3

And pulling 1G is certainly possible with a solid rear axle..................doesn't mean the car can handle though. IRS will give you flexibilty that the solid axle can't. Don't get me wrong, GT500 is a sweet car, as is the 5.0. Openly admitted. Just don't come in saying solid rear axle is as good. Can you imagine how good the Mustang could be with an IRS? I can. I also know how much more it would cost and weigh

Ford developed the next gen Control Blade IRS late 2009 that will most likely be the 50th anniversary Mustangs IRS of choice. Alot of people do not know the difference between CB and traditional IRS, but of course, I have been following it prior to this Mustang's application. It is only a few pounds heavier that a solid rear axle because of the compact design. It was spearheaded my Ford of Europe Motorsport's Chief Gerard Quinn and has been in action since last year. The entire control blade IRS unit is manufactured by Dana Australia to lower cost unlike usual IRS systems that are outsourced my multiple third parties.

Anyway, here is the Mustang III's Control Blade IRS in action, along with a Modular 5.3 (another secret engine)



Here is the car painted

[thePill]

Drag racers love Control Blade IRS, it uses trailing arms just like a solid rear axle, has compact coilovers that are located near the center of the vehicle and the actual suspension's coilovers are placed between the links as opposed to connecting onto the vehicle or protruding into the rear wheel well.

The CB IRS can be easily retro fitted in most RWD vehicles and FWD vehicles that were converted such as Ken Block's Fiesta. I would like to see a GM version of this in the future.. Oh, and its compact coilover system actually provides more trunk room.. As of now, this Control Blade IRS is over 100lbs lighter than the Camaro's 4.5 link IRS and it is very durable and compact.. Not sure how much the next gen's CB IRS weighs but they wanted it to be lighter than todays SRA...

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by thePill

Drag racers love Control Blade IRS, it uses trailing arms just like a solid rear axle, has compact coilovers that are located near the center of the vehicle and the actual suspension's coilovers are placed between the links as opposed to connecting onto the vehicle or protruding into the rear wheel well.

The CB IRS can be easily retro fitted in most RWD vehicles and FWD vehicles that were converted such as Ken Block's Fiesta. I would like to see a GM version of this in the future.. Oh, and its compact coilover system actually provides more trunk room.. As of now, this Control Blade IRS is over 100lbs lighter than the Camaro's 4.5 link IRS and it is very durable and compact.. Not sure how much the next gen's CB IRS weighs but they wanted it to be lighter than todays SRA...

Good info here. I was always impressed with what FORD did with the SRA. As a past owner of a 2004 cobra, I enjoyed the IRS that it had and the differences as a daily driver that the IRS gave me. It sounds like the CB IRS would be the best of both worlds.

EDIT ... a quick google search shows articles from 2002 on this. When did they start work on this and do they have any American production vehicles that have it?


Crowley