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Scruffage · 03-24-2011, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorySS

They looks like OBX knock offs!!!

I get it.

Swytch · 03-24-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorySS

I guess you didnt read it right, let me say it again so you can see the humor in my post. "They look like (OBX) Knock Offs". See the humor? Since OBX knocked off Kooks. I hope I cleared that up for you

Hah, you got me

Looks like I should get some more caffeine into my system before clicking that "reply" button

Good show sir!

2010 SSRS · 03-24-2011, 03:36 PM

Nice and Shiny

huntrik · 03-24-2011, 04:09 PM

I WANT I WANT I WANT...

Capthowdy · 03-24-2011, 11:05 PM

well well....I was about to order a set of 1,7/8 coated from MS next week!!! looks like I may be going with the stepped ones...I seen these stepped headers from SW on apex but they are REAL pricey...

axis · 03-25-2011, 04:20 AM

Didn't we have the discussion on stepped headers not long ago? I seem to remember it coming to the conclusion that they're not worth the price, at this power level. I'm sure they're excellent quality and look nice but if you're looking for huge gains from them, I don't think you'll find it. It would come down to just how much more $$ they are.

MarylandSpeed · 03-25-2011, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by axis

Didn't we have the discussion on stepped headers not long ago? I seem to remember it coming to the conclusion that they're not worth the price, at this power level. I'm sure they're excellent quality and look nice but if you're looking for huge gains from them, I don't think you'll find it. It would come down to just how much more $$ they are.

No...I think everyone has an opinion. However I have done the tests. Not just on the new Camaro, but also the GTO, and the stepped headers always make more power. Some people will claim because I sell them I have an agenda or whatever..but I have never sold someone a stepped header and not had them be happy with the results. Every dynosheet I have seen from independent tuners shows higher power than you would normally expect. That being said, stepped headers do take a bit more work to make and cost a lot more..so normally companies charge crazy money for them, and make them a "custom" header. We are able to keep the cost down on these by buying them in big runs instead of one at a time.

Personally, for me, it would be easier to just sell the 1 7/8" headers that I can order a few at a time vs. the stepped ones because they cost more, and I order them dozens at a time. That beings said I sell and promote the stepped headers however because for someone willing to pay for the absolute best, they flat out work. I run these on my own personal car..and I can run anything I want.
The most simple analogy in the world is that stepped headers are like pinching a hose. If you pinch a hose a little, the water comes out the end faster. Same with a header...a stepped header makes the exhaust come out the end faster, and

axis · 03-25-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

No...I think everyone has an opinion. However I have done the tests. Not just on the new Camaro, but also the GTO, and the stepped headers always make more power. Some people will claim because I sell them I have an agenda or whatever..but I have never sold someone a stepped header and not had them be happy with the results. Every dynosheet I have seen from independent tuners shows higher power than you would normally expect. That being said, stepped headers do take a bit more work to make and cost a lot more..so normally companies charge crazy money for them, and make them a "custom" header. We are able to keep the cost down on these by buying them in big runs instead of one at a time.

Personally, for me, it would be easier to just sell the 1 7/8" headers that I can order a few at a time vs. the stepped ones because they cost more, and I order them dozens at a time. That beings said I sell and promote the stepped headers however because for someone willing to pay for the absolute best, they flat out work. I run these on my own personal car..and I can run anything I want.
The most simple analogy in the world is that stepped headers are like pinching a hose. If you pinch a hose a little, the water comes out the end faster. Same with a header...a stepped header makes the exhaust come out the end faster, and

The question is how much more power and at what cost? If you're looking for every last HP you can get and don't care about cost, I can see these as a option. With the price of headers already up there, adding even more cost to gain 5-10whp doesn't seem to be cost affective, unless that cost is negligable. As to making the exhaust come out faster, what happens when it gets slowed back down through the cats and exhaust pipes?

MarylandSpeed · 03-25-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by axis

The question is how much more power and at what cost? If you're looking for every last HP you can get and don't care about cost, I can see these as a option. With the price of headers already up there, adding even more cost to gain 5-10whp doesn't seem to be cost affective, unless that cost is negligable. As to making the exhaust come out faster, what happens when it gets slowed back down through the cats and exhaust pipes?

It's all in how you phrase it. If normal headers give you 20-30 rwhp, and stepped headers give you say...5-10 more HP..then that is 30% more power. Thats a lot for only a $200 premium. People spend $300 and $400 on intakes that barely give that much power.

khislop007 · 03-25-2011, 04:54 PM

Nice! I like the fact that they came with extra bung for the WB. Cool!

SSOOCH · 03-28-2011, 09:43 AM

Part number?

blazzin1 · 03-28-2011, 10:32 AM

I think I saw that SW makes two different versions, a 2" to 1-7/8", and a 1-7/8" to 1/-3/4". Does Kooks also make a 2" to 1-7/8"? Hey Maryland Speed, can you PM me a price on the Kooks? Thanks.

Zeus95 · 03-29-2011, 08:09 AM

Dam it ! I had the money saved for the regular Kooks, now I have to wait another few weeks to save up for these ! At least its still cold and snowy in Chicago and car is still in storage. Will be calling you soon Maryland Speed !!

Santos · 03-29-2011, 11:30 PM

Well I have done all the searching humanly possible at this point and since I was going to do kooks after research, looks like I'll be waiting for the stepped ones also... Anybody know where I can find a money tree...?

03-24-2011, 03:36 PM	#17
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03-24-2011, 11:05 PM	#19
Capthowdy Drives: 2010 2SS RS IOM Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fl Posts: 1,048	well well....I was about to order a set of 1,7/8 coated from MS next week!!! looks like I may be going with the stepped ones...I seen these stepped headers from SW on apex but they are REAL pricey... __________________ THE "MENACE"

03-25-2011, 04:20 AM	#20
axis Search Ninja Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Ark Posts: 7,183	Didn't we have the discussion on stepped headers not long ago? I seem to remember it coming to the conclusion that they're not worth the price, at this power level. I'm sure they're excellent quality and look nice but if you're looking for huge gains from them, I don't think you'll find it. It would come down to just how much more $$ they are. __________________ 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Halltech CF 102 fed GPI modded intake manifold Bo (knows) White ported TB Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT Pfadted (springs/sways) Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI I once parallel parked a train.

03-25-2011, 04:54 PM	#24
khislop007 ZEUSS Drives: Hard! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Cayman Islands Posts: 2,567 View My Garage	Nice! I like the fact that they came with extra bung for the WB. Cool! __________________

03-28-2011, 09:43 AM	#25
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03-28-2011, 10:32 AM	#26
blazzin1 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS R6P Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: St. Cloud, FL Posts: 4,845 View My Garage	I think I saw that SW makes two different versions, a 2" to 1-7/8", and a 1-7/8" to 1/-3/4". Does Kooks also make a 2" to 1-7/8"? Hey Maryland Speed, can you PM me a price on the Kooks? Thanks.

03-29-2011, 08:09 AM	#27
Zeus95 Drives: IOM 2010 - 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Oak Forest - ILL Posts: 1,124 View My Garage	Dam it ! I had the money saved for the regular Kooks, now I have to wait another few weeks to save up for these ! At least its still cold and snowy in Chicago and car is still in storage. Will be calling you soon Maryland Speed !! __________________ 2010 2SS/RS IOM Upgrades: Fastlane CAI / SLP II Loudmouth axle back / V Max Ported TB / Kook's Step Long Tube Headers / High flow cats / Straightline Tune / BMR front & rear sway bars / Hotchkin End Links / Hurst Short Throw. LG ZR28 Wheels 1 of 2 sets made. Pfadt trailing arms / Diff Bushings & Sub Frame bushings / 1LE Axle & Hubs.

03-29-2011, 11:30 PM	#28
Santos Santos Drives: 1SS Blk 6M ECS 1500 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia Posts: 606 View My Garage	Well I have done all the searching humanly possible at this point and since I was going to do kooks after research, looks like I'll be waiting for the stepped ones also... Anybody know where I can find a money tree...? __________________

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