Warranty Officially Voided

[Neozyne]

April Fools!

[Mark Myles]

Originally Posted by themossman

They confirmed emphatically that the modifications that were performed would not have an adverse impact on the oil pump operation.

Moss, one avenue you may wish to look at.

If GM will not cover the oil pump under warranty, you may wish to have the car inspected or repaired by a Certified mechanic of your choice. I would then have the mechanic diagnose the issue with the oil pump. If found faulty, you will have the part, any TSB on this problem and the expert mechanic on your side. You will need a detailed affidavit from the mechanic. Then simply file a small claims suit or have your attorney send the bill for the repairs to GM.

Just because GM is big and has lawyers at their beck & call does NOT give them preferential treatment or free reign over Judges in a court room. If you believe that, you must believe in fairy tales.

M

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

Recalls and TSB's are also rendered invalid due to the terms of the contract. This same rule applies with all retail purchases.

Sorry, but you are wrong.

Recalls are MANDATORY, regardless of warranty status. The dealership is required by law to fix vehicles with recalls on them. It doesn't matter if the vehicle is a week old or 10 years old.

As for TSB's, they are more of a grey area, so in this case, I won't debate it. However, he still can make a case in court that they have on record prior to his vehicle ever being seen in the dealership, that this issue existed on other models. On that evidence alone, he could win a case.

All of our debating is for nothing really, if the issue with his oil pump has zilch to do with the TSB.

[67 Convertible]

Originally Posted by Neozyne

April Fools!

I'm sure themossman wishes it was an April Fools joke.

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Sorry, but you are wrong.

Recalls are MANDATORY, regardless of warranty status. The dealership is required by law to fix vehicles with recalls on them. It doesn't matter if the vehicle is a week old or 10 years old.


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[ADV.1 Matt]

Originally Posted by cab2g

Unfortunately, with something as minor as replacing an oil pump, your legal fees will most likely outweigh the cost to repair. Lawyers run from $150/hr to hundreds or thousands. So good luck keeping any legal action under a few hours.

Agreed. In my case though the engine threw a rod and was destroyed so it was worth the cost.

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Sorry, but you are wrong.

Recalls are MANDATORY, regardless of warranty status. The dealership is required by law to fix vehicles with recalls on them. It doesn't matter if the vehicle is a week old or 10 years old.

As for TSB's, they are more of a grey area, so in this case, I won't debate it. However, he still can make a case in court that they have on record prior to his vehicle ever being seen in the dealership, that this issue existed on other models. On that evidence alone, he could win a case.

All of our debating is for nothing really, if the issue with his oil pump has zilch to do with the TSB.

Not all recalls are mandatory, only recalls for safety issues are mandated. There are two types of recalls, voluntary and mandated. The vast majority you see are voluntary, in order to reduce manufacture liability. In the case of the oil pump, it would not be considered a safety issue.

[themossman]

Originally Posted by Mark Myles

Moss, one avenue you may wish to look at.

If GM will not cover the oil pump under warranty, you may wish to have the car inspected or repaired by a Certified mechanic of your choice. I would then have the mechanic diagnose the issue with the oil pump. If found faulty, you will have the part, any TSB on this problem and the expert mechanic on your side. You will need a detailed affidavit from the mechanic. Then simply file a small claims suit or have your attorney send the bill for the repairs to GM.

Just because GM is big and has lawyers at their beck & call does NOT give them preferential treatment or free reign over Judges in a court room. If you believe that, you must believe in fairy tales.

M

What you are describing is in progress.

The tear-down is being documented as we speak. I've spoken with an attorney and they recommend filing in small claims in local court. This is all precautionary...if the issue is remotely related to my mods...I won't pursue any further.

If it is related to the TSP...there's potentially bigger implications. This is not a cheap fix...for any one of us...whether we cause a potential warranty issue with aftermarket parts or a car has 'naturally' fallen out of warranty due to time or mileage. There's a TSP out of this pump gentleman...and regardless of the opinion on whether or not I voided the entire warranty wholesale...you could be facing the same issue a couple of years down the road even if you haven't TOUCHED your car.

Current estimate from dealer including validation of no internal damage is now ~$1700. Tick tock...tick tock...

[GTAHVIT]

1700 yeesh...

[themossman]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

1700 yeesh...

I have a whole big brother thing going on right now too....I just logged onto my bank account to move some funds around and the dealership quote mirrored my checking account balance to ~$20....hmmmmmmmm

lol

[GaryTucker]

Originally Posted by themossman

Neither of those statements is in contradiction to my current position or issue. As I mentioned, if this was an issue without a TSP and it was related to the modifications I've made...I wouldn't be pursuing this AT ALL.

You publicly stated you that you didn't care about your warranty (an admission that you knew you voided it) and now want that warranty. I believe the statement about not caring is in direct contradiction to what you want now.

TSB or not, you stated that you didn't care if you were covered...

[tokyov]

Originally Posted by DarkObsession

Everyone likes to bring up the Magnuson Moss act and say that you have to prove that the part caused the failure, etc. etc. but when I read it, it doesn't say anything about that.

All it says as related to aftermarket parts is that GM can't deny you warranty if you decide to not use an AC Delco oil filter on your car or drop a Fram air filter in there. It doesn't say anything about extensive aftermarket modifications being protected and/or having to prove if the part caused the failure.

I could just be mis-reading it but if someone could point out the exact section that says that GM should cover heavily modified cars, I'd appreciate it.

Thats because your not a lawyer.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/cons...ts/alt192.shtm

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

Not all recalls are mandatory, only recalls for safety issues are mandated. There are two types of recalls, voluntary and mandated. The vast majority you see are voluntary, in order to reduce manufacture liability. In the case of the oil pump, it would not be considered a safety issue.

In either case however, the dealership/company is still required to fix it.

The difference is that in a voluntary situation the company has admitted a problem and recalled it versus the problem becoming such an issue that the government has stepped in and mandated it.

[themossman]

Originally Posted by GaryTucker

You publicly stated you that you didn't care about your warranty (an admission that you knew you voided it) and now want that warranty. I believe the statement about not caring is in direct contradiction to what you want now.

TSB or not, you stated that you didn't care if you were covered...

I didn't state that I 'didn't care'...and I don't want GM to warranty ANY PART that was affected by my modifications (which include MOST of the internals). However...the oil pump would not be unaffected by the mods UNLESS it was re-installed incorrectly (and after 11k miles...there's no way it was re-installed incorrectly).

I understand your opinion and can appreciate the direction your trying to take it, however, you trying to use broad generalizations when I'm discussing details. Apples and Oranges.