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Steve Dallas · 04-28-2011, 10:48 AM

I'm going to expand a little on what I said earlier, because I believe this was caused by driver error.

As the OP stated in his post, "Now... I have always been affraid of this beast in rain."

I've NEVER been afraid of any car in the rain. If it's raining really hard and there's standing water, I go slow.

I've hit standing water at 70 mph in my car WITH the P-Zeros. I've done it in other cars too. When you hydroplane on a highway, you don't really need to do anything with the steering wheel except let it go straight. Overcorrecting in a hydroplaning situation is what will get the car bent out of shape. The big thing here is...know the conditions and the road. If you start seeing standing water, SLOW DOWN.

I'm sure the computer on the car will back me up, but I really doubt that there was any failure with Stabilitrac. It was almost certainly cause by a driver going too fast for conditions. Tires (or lack of tread) may have played a part as well.

FastEddie · 04-28-2011, 11:12 AM

I cannot be flippant in the face of your pain. I am sure everyone who didn't wreck yesterday has advice and admonishment for you. Not me homie, THIS F'N SUCKS

. I nearly was the author of a similar post, yesterday.*I "lost control" on purpose while I had a passenger so I could "show my handles"- I didn't account for her weight and a patch of dirt -it was nearly disastrous. I went from thinking "Ken Block" to praying for my "Engine Block". By all means deflect, accept, question, and dole out responsibility for what happened where appropriate - but remember the result rests with YOU. When you dare the devil sometimes "he puts you all in"

. Our cars are fast but they can't *outrun "The horsemen". Side airbags wont stop the reapers Sickle. However you wanna look at it- We coulda died

. You will drive amongst a myriad of other things, again, because YOU ARE ALIVE! Thank your deity for that! There are always things we DON'T know. I am truly humbled by the power and handling these cars have. It can numb and embolden the driver.Unfortunately Camaros often trick us into defying the laws of speed AND physics. I hope everything ends well and you find yourself back in the drivers seat again soon.

mulletman · 04-28-2011, 11:17 AM

You might consider a lawsuit against God. After all, it was He who allowed the rain. Johnny Cochran, O. J.'s attorney, is dead and may take the case.

Tallboy · 04-28-2011, 11:21 AM

A sad commentary on the mindset of today's society. "It can't be my fault!" Who do I sue? Who will fix this for me?

Take a big bite of the "personal responsibility" sandwich, and go get another car. Oh, and please-not another Camaro.

blizzpat · 04-28-2011, 11:22 AM

Why would you drive 70mph in the rain? When you start putting to much trust in your car and your own driving skills... that is when disaster happens.

Ladybugsmom · 04-28-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mulletman

You might consider a lawsuit against God. After all, it was He who allowed the rain. Johnny Cochran, O. J.'s attorney, is dead and may take the case.

Might be a good idea - after all, OP is in the Seattle area, and we actually had some snow yesterday, too. Hey God - did you NOT notice it's almost MAY????

spyderbuddy · 04-28-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jcouves

In my case, they didn't.

Maybe a dumb question, but where you using cruse control when all this happened?

f5journal · 04-28-2011, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyderbuddy

Maybe a dumb question, but where you using cruse control when all this happened?

That's what I think happened...makes perfect sense. Obviously he was too fast for conditions, but your car does not start doing 360's without some help from some where

chevyk1 · 04-28-2011, 11:52 AM

As everyone said glad you got out find. I think what you have to realize is that even though the car may FEEL safe at that speed, 50mph is not a safe speed to be driving during a down pour. I actually did a 180 from standing still attempting to turn in the rain. You may win a lawsuit if you fight hard enough (I dont think so) but realistically I think was drivers error. Just think about it like this if you replaced rain storm with snow storm and had the exact same story people would laugh at the fact you putting on GM. Believe insuarnce will have same response for rain. Anyway you pay for insurance us it get a new car and take it as a lesson learned

DarkneSS · 04-28-2011, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blizzpat

Why would you drive 70mph in the rain? When you start putting to much trust in your car and your own driving skills... that is when disaster happens.

Were getting severe thunderstorms RIGHT now and Im leaving in an hour. Ill even take a video for you. 6th gear, good tread, my car plows through the rain.

Trust me my old car couldnt go faster than 45 in heavy rain or youd literally be fighting every second to keep it straight. So I know how a car shouldnt feel. This camaro feels perfectly planted and safe.

PQ · 04-28-2011, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

Were getting severe thunderstorms RIGHT now and Im leaving in an hour. Ill even take a video for you. 6th gear, good tread, my car plows through the rain.

Trust me my old car couldnt go faster than 45 in heavy rain or youd literally be fighting every second to keep it straight. So I know how a car shouldnt feel. This camaro feels perfectly planted and safe.

NO CAR will be perfectly planted and safe if you hit the right patch of water. Mine has gottena bit squirrely in the rain. I have 315s on the rear, but still. If the water gets enough road coverage and thick enough, you can lift at any moment.

St33lsinger · 04-28-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jrhaus76

Order of operations:

Change the thread title to DRIVER FAILS... 1080 through 4 lanes of traffic... Driving too fast for conditions.

Call insurance company and make a claim.

Get a new car.

+1

Edge.128 · 04-28-2011, 12:11 PM

i see the guy hasn't posted anything since....

anyway driver error nothing the car could do for you obviously it tried. we never had any of these systems for many many decades and people still drove in the worst weather possible so if you are relying on them to save you well..... you have other issues

don't bother GM with this it is your own fault but its good your still hear to learn from it.

ffrcobra_65 · 04-28-2011, 12:13 PM

The stability control does not prevent an accident 100%. If your car hrydro-planed, no way the system can save it. Sounds like that is what happened. Glad to hear you or anyone did not get injured.

04-28-2011, 10:48 AM	#57
Steve Dallas Commits weekly crime Drives: 2017 Camaro 1LT Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Camano Island, WA Posts: 9,513 View My Garage	I'm going to expand a little on what I said earlier, because I believe this was caused by driver error. As the OP stated in his post, "Now... I have always been affraid of this beast in rain." I've NEVER been afraid of any car in the rain. If it's raining really hard and there's standing water, I go slow. I've hit standing water at 70 mph in my car WITH the P-Zeros. I've done it in other cars too. When you hydroplane on a highway, you don't really need to do anything with the steering wheel except let it go straight. Overcorrecting in a hydroplaning situation is what will get the car bent out of shape. The big thing here is...know the conditions and the road. If you start seeing standing water, SLOW DOWN. I'm sure the computer on the car will back me up, but I really doubt that there was any failure with Stabilitrac. It was almost certainly cause by a driver going too fast for conditions. Tires (or lack of tread) may have played a part as well. __________________ 2017 Camaro 1LT - Blue Barchetta IV I fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar. Tires spitting gravel I commit my weekly crime.

04-28-2011, 12:11 PM	#69
Edge.128 Drives: 2010 Camaro LS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,911	i see the guy hasn't posted anything since.... anyway driver error nothing the car could do for you obviously it tried. we never had any of these systems for many many decades and people still drove in the worst weather possible so if you are relying on them to save you well..... you have other issues don't bother GM with this it is your own fault but its good your still hear to learn from it. __________________ 2010 Summit White Camaro LS / M6 MRT V2.0

04-28-2011, 11:12 AM	#58
FastEddie Account Suspended Drives: 2010 IOM LS3 2SS/RS Camaro Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 672	I cannot be flippant in the face of your pain. I am sure everyone who didn't wreck yesterday has advice and admonishment for you. Not me homie, THIS F'N SUCKS . I nearly was the author of a similar post, yesterday.I "lost control" on purpose while I had a passenger so I could "show my handles"- I didn't account for her weight and a patch of dirt -it was nearly disastrous. I went from thinking "Ken Block" to praying for my "Engine Block". By all means deflect, accept, question, and dole out responsibility for what happened where appropriate - but remember the result rests with YOU. When you dare the devil sometimes "he puts you all in" . Our cars are fast but they can't outrun "The horsemen". Side airbags wont stop the reapers Sickle. However you wanna look at it- We coulda died . You will drive amongst a myriad of other things, again, because YOU ARE ALIVE! Thank your deity for that! There are always things we DON'T know. I am truly humbled by the power and handling these cars have. It can numb and embolden the driver.Unfortunately Camaros often trick us into defying the laws of speed AND physics. I hope everything ends well and you find yourself back in the drivers seat again soon.

04-28-2011, 11:17 AM	#59
mulletman Drives: 2017 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: southern Illinois trailer park Posts: 636	You might consider a lawsuit against God. After all, it was He who allowed the rain. Johnny Cochran, O. J.'s attorney, is dead and may take the case.

04-28-2011, 11:21 AM	#60
Tallboy Say "when"... Drives: 11 2LT Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Venice, FL Posts: 431	A sad commentary on the mindset of today's society. "It can't be my fault!" Who do I sue? Who will fix this for me? Take a big bite of the "personal responsibility" sandwich, and go get another car. Oh, and please-not another Camaro.

04-28-2011, 11:22 AM	#61
blizzpat Account Suspended Drives: 2010 SS Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Panama Posts: 491	Why would you drive 70mph in the rain? When you start putting to much trust in your car and your own driving skills... that is when disaster happens.

04-28-2011, 11:52 AM	#65
chevyk1 Drives: CGM Camaro 1Lt Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: DC Posts: 261	As everyone said glad you got out find. I think what you have to realize is that even though the car may FEEL safe at that speed, 50mph is not a safe speed to be driving during a down pour. I actually did a 180 from standing still attempting to turn in the rain. You may win a lawsuit if you fight hard enough (I dont think so) but realistically I think was drivers error. Just think about it like this if you replaced rain storm with snow storm and had the exact same story people would laugh at the fact you putting on GM. Believe insuarnce will have same response for rain. Anyway you pay for insurance us it get a new car and take it as a lesson learned

04-28-2011, 12:13 PM	#70
ffrcobra_65 Account Suspended Drives: SuperCharged 2SS/RS IOM MN6 Join Date: May 2009 Location: CA Posts: 5,094	The stability control does not prevent an accident 100%. If your car hrydro-planed, no way the system can save it. Sounds like that is what happened. Glad to hear you or anyone did not get injured.