For those that are wondering, stock 392 Challenger times

[RAYSRT8]

Who cares if it's stock or not.. Very nice numbers and I hope to get to the track soon to see what mine will do.

[Sawyer]

Very impressive for such a big heavy car.

[gm2376]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Hm, I can get a well appointed 392 SRT8 auto with a HDD radio for $45,645 and a comperably equipped 2SS (auto, HID headlamps, spoiler, etc) for 38,855.

So..the difference between a SRT8 and a equally equipped 2SS is actually around 6800 dollars..not 10,000.

not according to the build a price on the dodge site....maybe with a discount or rebates....but then the same could be said for the camaro.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by truth411

haven't this been proven false a million times? The SS competitor is the R/T, they are even priced identically. You can't get a SRT-8 starting at 31K, but you can get a R/T and SS at that price point which goes up from there depending on features, which would still be identically priced, same with the Mustang GT. The fact is dodge brought a knife to a gun fight with it's entry level V8 R/T, its as simply as that.

edit: The 2SS is basically top out at 36k, there is not much to add unless someone wants the overpriced 4.5k 21" wheels for the bling factor.

My actual point was, that I was trying to mak, was that the SRT8 is in a class between the SS/ZL1.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by gm2376

Thats fine Edmunds also had a stock SS at 12.8 in a article....do i believe that...no....but again saying this pushes the Camaro to the back of the pack is ridiculous....a loaded auto 392 is about 48K....a loaded 2ss is 37k......R/T vs SS and they are on even ground.

What? you don't believe an SS can hit 12.8 either? Oooooooooook

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by gm2376

not according to the build a price on the dodge site....maybe with a discount or rebates....but then the same could be said for the camaro.

Dodge.com's build page shows a 392 Challenger, automatic, with black paint and no other options as the price I showed above.

Chevrolet.com's build page shows a 2SS/RS, automatic with stripes and spoiler as being the price I listed.

No "creative number" magic.

[gm2376]

Originally Posted by Stew

What? you don't believe an SS can hit 12.8 either? Oooooooooook

Yeah...i don't believe that is the norm. more are above than at that stock.

[gm2376]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Dodge.com's build page shows a 392 Challenger, automatic, with black paint and no other options as the price I showed above.

Chevrolet.com's build page shows a 2SS/RS, automatic with stripes and spoiler as being the price I listed.

No "creative number" magic.

must be based on your location.....showing 47.8k here

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by gm2376

must be based on your location.....showing 47.8k here

Maybe, put in Zip code 97501

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

The SS has some runs in the mid 12's. The 392 will be faster in stock form than the SS, just something you will need to come to grips with. With a better power\weight ratio, and a pretty sophisticated Auto Transmission and Suspension from Mercedes in the SRT8 Auto, hero runs of 12.3 can be expected. Magazine times are often average drivers with average conditions.

Ummm no.... the auto trans is still the shitty 5spd that's in the 2010's....and explain to me how there's a whopping almost .7 second difference between said shitty auto and the TR-6060 Tremec 6spd that is the manual trans....

Yeah, that's some BS right there... I'd expect maybe a .1-.3 difference, but almost a full second?!?!?! C'Mon.... even if you give the fact that Motortrend and Road&Hack have shitty drivers...that's still a HUGE difference...

Originally Posted by Stew

Motor Trend tested a manual, these times were for the automatic equipped cars. As I said, Edmunds even got 12.6 from an auto equipped car, so please stop just searching and looking for the bad times......

Please see the above.... almost a half second faster with an auto, a shitty auto at that? Really?

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Because it hurts ones pride when the reality that the SS is now the slowest of the 3 pony cars stock. The way you make yourself feel better is by insisting that the 392 Challengers doing those runs are not stock and by clinging to the slowest magazine time.

Actually, I don't care how fast they are.... they're all great cars to drive and own. I'm just glad that we still have them in this day and age...

However, if we go simply by the stock numbers, it's painfully obvious someone is full of crap.... there's no way the same auto tranny, an increase of almost 100lbs, an increase of 45hp, and the extra 70lbs of torque shave off almost a full second on this car..... it's simple physics...and I don't need to debate that with anyone...

Either the car we see in the video is modded (possible) or Chrysler is full of shit on their HP ratings..... because there is no WAY that just 45hp is gettin that done.. so again... while I may be wrong in that that is a legit video....I'm right in that there is no physical way only 45hp is doing those numbers..


As for the whole comparison of SS vs. SRT-8....here's the biggest problem with the comparison....

1SS = 30k$
SRT-8 = 45k$

I don't care about anything else.... you can't touch a brand new SRT8 for under 40k.....but I can get a brand new 1SS for 30k, maybe even less. It's still an SS.....the added bells and whistles dont add a single thing to the car performance wise....

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by gm2376

must be based on your location.....showing 47.8k here

It's location...

Here's mine in my area....

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Ummm no.... the auto trans is still the shitty 5spd that's in the 2010's....and explain to me how there's a whopping almost .7 second difference between said shitty auto and the TR-6060 Tremec 6spd that is the manual trans....

Yeah, that's some BS right there... I'd expect maybe a .1-.3 difference, but almost a full second?!?!?! C'Mon.... even if you give the fact that Motortrend and Road&Hack have shitty drivers...that's still a HUGE difference...




Please see the above.... almost a half second faster with an auto, a shitty auto at that? Really?



Actually, I don't care how fast they are.... they're all great cars to drive and own. I'm just glad that we still have them in this day and age...

However, if we go simply by the stock numbers, it's painfully obvious someone is full of crap.... there's no way the same auto tranny, an increase of almost 100lbs, an increase of 45hp, and the extra 70lbs of torque shave off almost a full second on this car..... it's simple physics...and I don't need to debate that with anyone...

Either the car we see in the video is modded (possible) or Chrysler is full of shit on their HP ratings..... because there is no WAY that just 45hp is gettin that done.. so again... while I may be wrong in that that is a legit video....I'm right in that there is no physical way only 45hp is doing those numbers..


As for the whole comparison of SS vs. SRT-8....here's the biggest problem with the comparison....

1SS = 30k$
SRT-8 = 45k$

I don't care about anything else.... you can't touch a brand new SRT8 for under 40k.....but I can get a brand new 1SS for 30k, maybe even less. It's still an SS.....the added bells and whistles dont add a single thing to the car performance wise....

Its not simply an increase of peak numbers. The 392 dramatically increases low end torque and the torque band is much, much fatter than the outgoing 6.1. The 392 produces much more torque low down, where 1/4 mile acceration comes into play, than the 6.1 ever did. Infact, the new 392 was specifically designed to favor low end torque over high end HP.

That is how the new engine shaves off over a half second off the older car.

[lil_chef]

FINALLY.... someone mentions peak numbers aren't everything. JEEEZE

[chain777]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

FINALLY.... someone mentions peak numbers aren't everything. JEEEZE

No sh*t, just look at the Boss numbers vs GT numbers for that lesson.

BTW, I heard the new 8 speed auto Chrysler has coming is only for the V6 engines. Any truth to that?