"CAMAROS" Row after Row @ Oshawa Plant Lot...IT Must Be In Production!??

[Keith Tedford]

After working at GM Oshawa for 41 years as a tool and die maker, I'm sort of familiar with model changes and startups. It used to be that there might be 20-30 first run vehicles where all the bodyshop equipment was getting tuned in and fits weren't acceptable. These trucks didn't get VIN tags and were used for yard vehicles for a few years or given to automotive tech in high schools. I don't know what they do with these cars these days. At some point, it is decided that the vehicle being built is a salable product. Once the bodies are right, they start sending one or two down the line each day to familiarize the workers with their jobs. Engineers and process engineers followed each vehicle, keeping track of any problems. Engineering then sorted out any of their problems and the workers learned their jobs. As the days go by, more and more vehicles are sent down the line until the plant eventually gets up to speed. There was no actual start of production date. It was a gradual thing. From what the guys tell me, it sound much the same today. Hopefully this helps a little as to what happens in the plants.

[fixxer56]

Keith, great post, thanks for your inside professional opinion

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by Keith Tedford

After working at GM Oshawa for 41 years as a tool and die maker, I'm sort of familiar with model changes and startups. It used to be that there might be 20-30 first run vehicles where all the bodyshop equipment was getting tuned in and fits weren't acceptable. These trucks didn't get VIN tags and were used for yard vehicles for a few years or given to automotive tech in high schools. I don't know what they do with these cars these days. At some point, it is decided that the vehicle being built is a salable product. Once the bodies are right, they start sending one or two down the line each day to familiarize the workers with their jobs. Engineers and process engineers followed each vehicle, keeping track of any problems. Engineering then sorted out any of their problems and the workers learned their jobs. As the days go by, more and more vehicles are sent down the line until the plant eventually gets up to speed. There was no actual start of production date. It was a gradual thing. From what the guys tell me, it sound much the same today. Hopefully this helps a little as to what happens in the plants.

Thanks for the info. Thats nice that they give them to the automotive tech for school.

And Welcome

[bobby35ny]

Lets face it, if they can get the dealer V6's done before the 16th that's LESS wait for all of us who pre-ordered..

=bobby

[Elvisuperman]

As promised everyone...here you are, more pics.....

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...620#post325620

[fbodfather]

Isn't that a "purty sight???"


Those are Captive Test Fleet vehicles -- including the ones you've seen on transports in various parts of the country......

Yes - they have Window Stickers (better known as "Monroney Labels" -- but there are no separate prices or options printed out on the CTF vehicles as of yet......


NOW.........


To THOSE who said (and there were MANY ......)

"......The Camaro is DEAD -- it WON'T be back...."

(......and other such drivel.........)

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR WORDS (that you are going to eat) SERVED UP?


.......with an Alfredo sauce......

...........................or perhaps a marinara sauce..........


....................perhaps on "Toast Points????..................




....Or -- my PERSONAL favorite.........





WITH A SIDE OF 'SMOKED MUSTANG!'

:5thgenvert:

[StarkyLuv]

Originally Posted by ihc95

Also theres no form of blue...

First thing I noticed. Not a single IBM.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by Dukeboy01

I understand the concept of doing few builds of a new model to make sure the equipment is working right and then crushing them. But when your company is flirting on the edge of bankruptcy and has already taken billions of dollars from taxpayers, it seems like an incredible waste of money that me and a PR nightmare if/ when the media decides to do a blistering report on it.

Cue CNBC talking head:

"TONIGHT ON JIM CRAMER'S MAD MONEY: GM TAKES BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OUT OF YOUR POCKET AND THEN DESTROYS PERFECTLY GOOD CARS!! WHAT'S GOING ON?!! THIS MAKES ME WANT TO EXPLODE!!!"

If GM still felt the need to do that type of run for quality assurance, I think (hope) that they'd be smart enough to do it quietly and under cover of dark instead of parking 50+ Camaros outside for a few days where everybody can see them and take pictures before they go to the crusher.

I will let hope triumph over experience and vote that these are dealer cars.

In "normal" times building a bunch of cars and then crushing them for quality assurance would make sense and regular people wouldn't think twice about it when they heard it was happening. These are not normal times for GM and I hope they are really thinking about PR.

SLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW DOWN!

No one's gonna crush all those Camaros you're seeing......

[zebra]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

SLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW DOWN!

No one's gonna crush all those Camaros you're seeing......

don't ya just love mis-information?!

[snofyter]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

Isn't that a "purty sight???"


Those are Captive Test Fleet vehicles -- including the ones you've seen on transports in various parts of the country......

From an article on the Chevy Volt Rollout:

"First of all as part of the development program we typically have small numbers of vehicles that we put out in the hands of people that drive them on a daily basis. That’s a part of our development program that occurs prior to production. We call that a “captured test fleet”. Captured meaning we know where the cars are and we know who the drivers are, and test fleet because the cars aren’t in production yet. We use the versions that we build at the tail end of the development cycle to really put them out there on a daily basis to get better understanding of whats going on with the vehicles."
Those pictures look like a lot more than "a small number of vehicles"

I'm just sayin'

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

SLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW DOWN!

No one's gonna crush all those Camaros you're seeing......

LOL, We just had a thread about this what feels like yesterday. Thats about how long good information lasts, and the bad begins. We are working on that.

[justmeron]

Whole lotta testing going on there. Was hopeing some of em were dealer show room cars in the mix. Oh well wont be long now guys.

[oldbowtie]

Keith: I see that you are new (Post #2)...Welcome.

Thanks for your insight on production information. My Dad was Tool & Die for 40 years at Fisher Body, Ewing, New Jersey.

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1970 Chevelle (1974 to 1991)

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[yougojay]

Originally Posted by camarokev

whats that purple thing on top the yellow one in the second pic?

It's somebodies Lunch Bag !!!

This is a Camaro fans wet dream !!