Camaro vs. Avalanche (new buyer)

[gbuc40]

You guys have been a great help! I test drove them today and def an adjustment but it's expected. They are desperate to sell the 2011 ones and promised me a great deal. I was going to order a 2012 but if I get a great deal it will be very hard to turn down. Would you guys wait for the 2012? I may start a new thread if I don't get any responses as I am meeting with them tomorrow night.

[NoSyT]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

The WRX is rated at a 1,000 lb towing capacity...

And this video proves what exactly? It gives me the impression that you have never towed anything with a vehicle. I'm 200 lbs and I can tie a rope to my daughter's Mustang, put it in neutral, and pull it down the street, but that doesn't mean I have a 3,400lb towing capacity.

What you aren't counting are the conditions (slope, mud/water depth, soil type), distances of the 2 stuck vehicles in question, and are they running and able to provide any sort of help in their own extraction like the truck in the video obviously could? Snowy roads are a different animal all together my friend.

I'm sure that on a flat road with both vehicles in neutral a Ridgeline would be able to pull both trucks in question. But 10,000 lbs of dead weight stuck in the mud and uphill out of a pond.....no way. All that camarowguy's story tells me is that the driver's of the trucks that got suck didn't know what they were doing. If one guy is stuck in mud, the tow vehicle doesn't "go to get him out", he stays where he has traction and runs a cable/tow chain to the disabled vehicle.

To many variables, you can punch holes in this story all day long, so I call .

[Noturday]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Honda Ridgeline is faster, lighter, more agile, better handling, better riding, drives better(steering feel, brake pedal feel, etc.), retains its value better, costs less to start with, is more fuel efficient, brakes better, is safer, and so on... how is comparing an Avalanche to a Ridgeline embarassing for the Avalanche owners ? I would think it would be the other way around....


-I'm only being partly serious....

based on that post, im going to assume you know nothing about either vehicle in question, and therefore your argument is invalid, and you should stop trying to make stuff up to argue this. if you want a real argument, i'll give you an argument, and i will win. but i dont want to turn this into a ridgeline flaming thread. i know enough about both trucks to put this to rest.

the only reason people compare the ridgeline and the Av is that they have a similar overall shape but the ridgeline is a Fwd/4wd V6 mid-size truck, and the Avalanche is a Rwd/4wd V8 full-size truck....its really not comparable.

back to the OP's topic, the V6 Camaro would get WAY better mileage than the Av, and it would be faster, definitely the way to go for efficiency reasons.

i think you would be happy either way, but it really depends on what you really want to drive

[GEEo]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

The WRX is rated at a 1,000 lb towing capacity...

Thats frckn AMAZING!! I woudln't do it though. lol

JDM Power!! ahhaha

[08-G35s/6MT]

Originally Posted by Noturday

based on that post, im going to assume you know nothing about either vehicle in question, and therefore your argument is invalid, and you should stop trying to make stuff up to argue this. if you want a real argument, i'll give you an argument, and i will win. but i dont want to turn this into a ridgeline flaming thread. i know enough about both trucks to put this to rest.

the only reason people compare the ridgeline and the Av is that they have a similar overall shape but the ridgeline is a Fwd/4wd V6 mid-size truck, and the Avalanche is a Rwd/4wd V8 full-size truck....its really not comparable.

back to the OP's topic, the V6 Camaro would get WAY better mileage than the Av, and it would be faster, definitely the way to go for efficiency reasons.

i think you would be happy either way, but it really depends on what you really want to drive

Ok tell me where I am wrong ? It is faster(slightly better power to weight ratio), lighter(it weighs 1,200 lbs less), more agile(lighter weight combined with stiff unibody car structure), better handling(read before), better riding(I have ridden in both trucks), drives better(steering feel, brake pedal feel, etc. since it's based off a unibody platform and not a BOF truck platform), retains its value better(look at KBB), costs less to start with(starts $7,000 cheaper), is more fuel efficient(11/16 mpg versus 15/20), brakes better(lighter weight and more advanced Multi-Link Rear Suspension with Trailing Arms and MacPherson Strut Front Suspension), is safer(Patented ACE body structure, top safety pick by IIHS, 5 stars by the NHTSA), and so on...

I'm going off the facts, I'm not throwing some subjective mockery in there(well the Ridgeline isn't a real truck, it has a V6 and looks kinda funny, I don't like it.... so don't compare it to my car). The Ridgeline is an excellent alternative if you just use your truck for day to day driving and need something more fuel efficient, and for people that aren't insecure about not having a BOF RWD full-size truck.

-The Ridgeline isn't FWD(though it obviously has a transversely mounted engine). It's full-time AWD.

[gbuc40]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Ok tell me where I am wrong ? It is faster(slightly better power to weight ratio), lighter(it weighs 1,200 lbs less), more agile(lighter weight combined with stiff unibody car structure), better handling(read before), better riding(I have ridden in both trucks), drives better(steering feel, brake pedal feel, etc. since it's based off a unibody platform and not a BOF truck platform), retains its value better(look at KBB), costs less to start with(starts $7,000 cheaper), is more fuel efficient(11/16 mpg versus 15/20), brakes better(lighter weight and more advanced Multi-Link Rear Suspension with Trailing Arms and MacPherson Strut Front Suspension), is safer(Patented ACE body structure, top safety pick by IIHS, 5 stars by the NHTSA), and so on...

I'm going off the facts, I'm not throwing some subjective mockery in there(well the Ridgeline isn't a real truck, it has a V6 and looks kinda funny, I don't like it.... so don't compare it to my car). The Ridgeline is an excellent alternative if you just use your truck for day to day driving and need something more fuel efficient, and for people that aren't insecure about not having a BOF RWD full-size truck.

-The Ridgeline isn't FWD(though it obviously has a transversely mounted engine). It's full-time AWD.

I'm not going to get into that because arguing over 2 cars is pretty stupid. Unless of course, you are arguing to prove you are right... then, of course, it is totally valid (no sarcasm, I'm stubborn too). Anyway, test drove two Camaros and was EHH about it. Not bad, not great, just EHH... IMO. I could get used to it and learn to love it. As I'm walking to discuss paperwork I see a 2010 Mercedes CL300 for sale, 20K Miles, Black, Loaded. Test drove it and uhh, got to have one. So.. I'm going to the Mercedes dealer tomorrow to see if I can get a deal on one. The night manager at the Chevy place was a total douche and didn't know how to do business making up lies and such. I have heard the night guy was like that from another person but oh well. Maybe the day manager will give me a call. Still, if the Mercedes doesn't work, Camaro it is.

[FL1CK]

This is prob the worst thread I've ever read...

[Noturday]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Ok tell me where I am wrong ? It is faster(slightly better power to weight ratio), lighter(it weighs 1,200 lbs less), more agile(lighter weight combined with stiff unibody car structure), better handling(read before), better riding(I have ridden in both trucks), drives better(steering feel, brake pedal feel, etc. since it's based off a unibody platform and not a BOF truck platform), retains its value better(look at KBB), costs less to start with(starts $7,000 cheaper), is more fuel efficient(11/16 mpg versus 15/20), brakes better(lighter weight and more advanced Multi-Link Rear Suspension with Trailing Arms and MacPherson Strut Front Suspension), is safer(Patented ACE body structure, top safety pick by IIHS, 5 stars by the NHTSA), and so on...

I'm going off the facts, I'm not throwing some subjective mockery in there(well the Ridgeline isn't a real truck, it has a V6 and looks kinda funny, I don't like it.... so don't compare it to my car). The Ridgeline is an excellent alternative if you just use your truck for day to day driving and need something more fuel efficient, and for people that aren't insecure about not having a BOF RWD full-size truck.

-The Ridgeline isn't FWD(though it obviously has a transversely mounted engine). It's full-time AWD.

its not full-time AWD, it only supplies power to the front wheels unless it senses wheel spin, at which time it supplies power to all 4, and under normal driving conditions the ridgline will never actually supply power to the rear wheels.

its not faster, i've raced one and smoked it (both trucks were stock), i agree it is lighter and more agile, but it's also a mid-size and is lower (lower COG) so that is expected. i dont agree that it rides better, i've also ridden in both trucks and the ridgeline had a much rougher ride, more comparable to a pilot, also adding to the fact that it handles better. the brake definitely has a firmer feel in the rigdeline since the Av's is pretty soft, but it still stops in a hurry when i need it to, the steering of my avalanche is smoother than most other cars i have driven, only exception is the 2000 silverado i used to drive. the gas mileage rating of the Avalanche with the 6.0 is 15/21, actually a little better than the 15/20 you claim the ridgeline gets, the avalanche has a larger bed, that gets even bigger when you drop the midgate, and even larger when you drop the tailgate. the in-bed cargo box in the ridgeline is inaccessible if you are actually carrying anything in the bed where as the avalanche's 2 bed-side boxes are still accessible in the same situation. then there's the awkward design of the ridgeline's tailgate, where it doesnt line up with the bed sides, supposedly for better fuel mileage, but it still gets pretty bad mileage, i cant see how that made that big of a difference, and it's ugly. in my opinion the avalanche is better designed as far as functionality and style.

plus, the Av is a BOF RWD full-size V8 truck!

the coolest thing the ridgeline has is the tailgate that swings out or folds down, im not sure when i would actually use the swing out function, but it is cool

i have respect for the Ridgeline, and im sure its a great truck for someone, but I would much rather have an Avalanche

[Cristoff]

Originally Posted by gstev

ridgeline is horrible looking IMO and they leak too and it not an AMERICAN vehicle either. We all need to try to buy AMERICAN.

Then you should probably drive a Nissan, Toyota, Honda, BMW, Acura, etc. those cars are actually BUILT here in the United States - thus creating jobs here. Most of the American manufacturers do not assemble the cars here in the United States.

Buy American Is great in theory, but it is a 1950s idea.

[Cristoff]

Originally Posted by gbuc40

Hello all. New Here and first post, btw.

I have only owned and driven SUVs (2005, 2008 Avalanches) in the past so this will be quite a change. I loved them both but gas prices are crazy. I was hoping you guys could give me some insight on the Camaro. What are some of the "must have" options or some things I should avoid? For example, I read here that there have been problems with brakes in the 2010 models. How's the real life gas mileage? I'm obviously leaning towards a 2LT V6 to save on gas. I love my truck but I think it's time I moved to something still badass but more fuel efficient. Lastly, I will be ordering a 2LT RS 2012 model from the dealer. Have they budged quite a bit on MSRP or no?

Thank you all and great forum. I am part of an avalanche forum and I'm glad this is here in case I do make the switch.

Here's a pic of my truck just for fun

And since the thread derailed, I would HIGHLY recommend the 2LT /RS. I get a combined MPG of right at 27, plenty of power and just as many heads get turned as the SS. I also owned 2 Avalanches, but they lost me when they removed the cladding as an option.

[RS1017]

loook im going to be brutally honest here...ive always been a truck guy too. i 'd my old tahoe

i traded in an 09 tahoe for that same reason (mpg). I traded it for a brand new 2lt/rs. I used to get 12.4 mpg on my tahoe..freaking terrible. Driving the same way I get about 16 city in the camaro. i drive cars like i stole em. dont do it for the fuel economy, you wont be seeing a HUGE improvement in mpg. i miss my tahoe a little, but I LOVE the camaro.

my advice to you, take the plunge. you wont regret it. much....

[SSRob]

What wheels/tires are you running on the Avalanche? Looks sweet.

[gbuc40]

Originally Posted by SSRob

What wheels/tires are you running on the Avalanche? Looks sweet.

Not sure about the tires but rims are made by 2 Crave. I went with the most expensive tires because they were a bit thicker. By the way, 2 Crave has some very nice designs but I wouldn't buy from them again. I have not had a good experience with the company or their wheels. Look badass, though.