Who thinks this is unacceptable??

[CamaroScotty]

And again, dealerships "adjust and correct" as needed during the PDI. It's not just Chevy, Dodge, Ford, and the import dealers do as well.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by cam2fst4u

I dont think anyone is saying that the pics are a fake. But I guess we just dont want to believe that is how the cars are going to be. I dont think they are going to go full production with the cars like this. At least i hope not, I just can't believe that they are going to let it go out like this

They've already gone full production..It has already begun..If you ordered Cyber Grey, you are constrained and forced to wait a month or so before they start building those, however it has begun...

Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

And again, dealerships "adjust and correct" as needed during the PDI. It's not just Chevy, Dodge, Ford, and the import dealers do as well.

The dealers should not be touching the cars after the fact when it arrived no more than they should repair an accident that occurs when being driven into the dealership without telling the customer.. This should be an issue fixed by GM at the Oshawa plant before shipment...

[ArcAngel]

Thats why I am riding this subject, we know GM insiders check this forum out so let them hear we wont be happy with this

[SIK07GTSTANG]

I started reading this thread and all I see is ArcAngel whining...god, you sound like my 8 year old brother. Seriously dude, you're lucky the Camaro is even being made in such a poor economic state, be happy with it.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by OUR72GTO

I spent 2.5 hours all over car #248 in Vancouver. This problem was not on that car.

Rick's a big boy, he will have QC fix before it gets on the truck. I toured the Vette plant and they send cars around again to fix items less and more obvious than this. The press is not going to see that car until Rick shows it.

Some people need to get off the soap box.


PS: Though I find them hard to read Leatherneck's comment did not deserve that response... IMO he is owed an apology.

+1 Leatherneck was not being obnoxious in any way shape or form, he brought up the point that other pics of the comaro interior DID NOT have any 1/4" anlignment issues on the doors, Yet the 370z coalition ignores it. From what I have seen could this be limited to the Inferno orange upgraded interior. So sorry if I don't jump on the sky is falling bandwagon until we get legit info from someone at GM. The 370z coalition might accuse me of blind fanboyism , but I'm not, I am being RATIONAL until I get Solid info from the Source and thats the truth.

[Hylton]

Originally Posted by Supermans

Since it appears to be lined up on some and not others, I would imagine it is an issue where the worker holding the door in place bolts it on incorrectly or without making sure it is aligned when affixing the panel to the door. This should be done properly the first time. Alignment issues with the hood and trunk occur many times on many cars and those would be harder to fix..

There is not as much flexibility as in the past to do something like that. The process the Camaro goes through is that after it is painted (all panels are on it and checked for paint flaws/gaps/alignment) it goes to trim (fittings). When in trim, the doors are removed to allow the interior of the car to be completed.

While the doors have been removed, they go off and get fitted up with the window, window mechanisms, locking mechanisms, mirror, wiring, noise barrier and.....interior panel. Then, after the interior is complete, the doors come back and are rebolted to the car and the door wiring is hooked up. See how this problem arises?

The solution is to make sure all panels are EXACTLY alike in shape and form and that the mold is absolutely perfect - it's not right now. It could simply be the top pin mount being a bit off on the panel. If it was perfect, the panel would be perfectly aligned as soon as the assembler bolted the door back on and closed it. Again I say I believe it's the suppliers fault and not the assembler.

[GrnMchin]

Originally Posted by ArcAngel

Thats why I am riding this subject, we know GM insiders check this forum out so let them hear we wont be happy with this

Well said. I think I said ask GM earlier.

[GLBL WMR]

After reading the entire thread I find it absolutely amusing that everybody has their panties in a bunch over one picture.

-You don't know whether or not the car went through final QC before the picture was taken.

-The angle of the picture is possibly making it look worse than it really is.

-The contrast of the orange accent against the dark trim could possibly be making it look worse than it is.

-Several members have attested that this is not an issue on other early VINs that they have seen.

Trust me, I also believe that the interior is the worse part about the car by far, and I wouldn't be pleased if my car showed up like this. However, more false assumptions are made on this board that run rampant and turn into 20 page b*tch-fests than any of the other boards dedicated to the car, and it makes us all look like a bunch of fanboy 4 year olds.

You know-it-alls need to stop pretending that your relatively limited knowledge and half-assed assumptions regarding the car bridge the gap to reality, because it doesn't, and it just makes you look stupid.

Wait until you see an actual production model in person and then continue to cry about it and if your fears hold water and talk yourself into buying something else.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by Hylton

There is not as much flexibility as in the past to do something like that. The process the Camaro goes through is that after it is painted (all panels are on it and checked for paint flaws/gaps/alignment) it goes to trim (fittings). When in trim, the doors are removed to allow the interior of the car is completed.

While the doors have been removed, they go off and get fitted up with the window, window mechanisms, locking mechanisms, mirror, wiring, noise barrier and.....interior panel. Then, after the interior is complete, the doors come back and are rebolted to the car and the door wiring is hooked up. See how this problem arises?

The solution is to make sure all panels are EXACTLY alike in shape and form and that the mold is absolutely perfect - it's not right now. It could simply be the top pin mount being a bit off on the panel. If it was perfect, the panel would be perfectly aligned as soon as the assembler bolted the door back on and closed it. Again I say I believe it's the suppliers fault and not the assembler.

Thank you for this concise reporting on what goes into building the car. it is good to know that this problem arises from the fact that the panel is placed on the door while it is off the car and thus has to be applied perfectly before the door goes on the car in the line..Let's hope this issue can be fixed soon..I don't want to have the dealers PDI product Inspection to have to remove the door to realign the panel.. I know the cars keep moving on the line and the workers are in a hurry to get their jobs done before the car passes which leaved limited time to check for errors. However something needs to be addressed and the assembly process needs to allow for this issue to be corrected or done properly the first time.

Originally Posted by GLBL WMR

Wait until you see an actual production model in person and then continue to cry about it and if your fears hold water and talk yourself into buying something else.

read hyltons post above and rethink your comment

[ArcAngel]

You know I dont understand how some people even post what they do. The picture was taken of a production model by a member here who saw it in person, that was backed up by another member who saw it in person and yet we are still making excuses or people calling me and others who have a differing opinion out. Thats sad truly sad

[kanakattack]

Let me assure you that although I can only speak for myself, many of us are concerned about this issue although not as vocal as others. I am not rich but no means, work hard for everything I get, as many of us in this forum do, so if my car arrives with that kind of quality issues I will demand that it is fixed regardless of who fixes it. Sitting in a Camaro with this type of fit and finish issues with my cousin who owns a $17,000 Scion ragging me about the fit would be unbearable. I know many would deflect the initial comment and focus on the point that the Scion would only see the tail lights of the Camaro all day, and they would be right if we were racing all day, but traffic is the great equalizer and sitting in a car that has this type of issue would be unacceptable thats all I'm saying. Thanks ArcAngel and Hylton for bringing this up front where it belongs.

[Number 3]

I hesitate to post as someone will just use it as fuel for a non-fire or use it to keep a non-fire burning.

First, understand that you are picking on the hardest part of the interior to get right.

Second, this car WAS NOT SHIPPED. I wasn't there, but I doubt very much Rick got in his car and drove it home. There are additional hurdles the Camaro must pass before one single car gets shipped.

Third, with all of the cameras and people hovering around the car, I am pretty sure that they avoided any chance to take the car off line to repair this, which your cars would be.

Fourth, none of the CTF cars have been built with the acrylic panels on the door and IP. So in order to get that right you are probably judging by the very first production car with ABL on the IP and Door Trim.

And last, this is another case of you guys have been allowed to know more than any other car and it's launch. So now you are taking that intimate knowledge and doing this??????????????? Come on now. Just stop.

And yes I agree FROM THE PICTURES this is probably out of specification.

So if you get your car and you don't like it - POST AWAY. But not this car, it was way out of process to have the owner walk the line with 100 fans and their cameras.

[80Zedder]

seems to point to a supplier issue. They are very aware of the problem. Rick's car was not passed through the final QC, and even if it was, due to time and obligations, it was released anyways, as replacement panels may not have been on hand "iom" to fix the problem.

Belive me, when you get your vehicles, there should be no issues with the panels misaligning. IF by a slight chance there is, the dealer should correct it before you even see your new car.

[GrnMchin]

Originally Posted by GLBL WMR

After reading the entire thread I find it absolutely amusing that everybody has their panties in a bunch over one picture.

-You don't know whether or not the car went through final QC before the picture was taken.

-The angle of the picture is possibly making it look worse than it really is.

-The contrast of the orange accent against the dark trim could possibly be making it look worse than it is.

-Several members have attested that this is not an issue on other early VINs that they have seen.

Trust me, I also believe that the interior is the worse part about the car by far, and I wouldn't be pleased if my car showed up like this. However, more false assumptions are made on this board that run rampant and turn into 20 page b*tch-fests than any of the other boards dedicated to the car, and it makes us all look like a bunch of fanboy 4 year olds.

You know-it-alls need to stop pretending that your relatively limited knowledge and half-assed assumptions regarding the car bridge the gap to reality, because it doesn't, and it just makes you look stupid.

Wait until you see an actual production model in person and then continue to cry about it and if your fears hold water and talk yourself into buying something else.

I'm personally waiting to hear from GM and if it is an issue they need to fix it.