What a crappy day

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

To all who go by the reviews good luck in life, i sat in the car in SAMA, this is a Great car
now, it is no Lexus, BMW, MB, no Porsche, ROLLS-ROYCE, or any other manufacturer, It is a pony car, Like of old but new and improved and with some help from us it is a great winding roads car to, So go drive the car and see if you like it.

[teamlynn1]

Ditch the wife! Sounds to me like she is wearing the pants in your relationship, who cares what she likes. Buy her a minivan she can see out of and tell her to keep her ass out of your Camaro. The Camaro willbe fine in your twisties, dont put too much into a magazines review remember several of them named the DODGE CARAVAN the car of the year at one point and we know how that turned out right? After you personally drive the Camaro YOU can then evaluate for yourself how it feels and handles.

[65535]

Originally Posted by stovt001

awful views out,

Irrelevant. They said the same about the Dodge Charger. My charger is fine. Took maybe a half hour to get used to it.

claustrophobic feeling,

This depends on your own preference.

bad steering wheel,

Bad how? The feel? Dodge has been criticized for having numb steering. It's true, but it doesn't take away from the car's performance.

awful interior materials, wide, un-supportive seats,

Matter of opinion.

feelings of bulkiness and heaviness.

3800lb. What do you expect. You can't compare it to a 2800lb featherweight.

I keep saying I'll reserve final judgment until I can see for myself, but when all the reviews are saying the exact same thing, it just doesn't give me much hope. I absolutely love the looks of this car. I love the engines. I love the heritage. But it just doesn't work for me. My fun drives are entirely on twisty, narrow, two lane mountain roads where any lack of visibility could kill you. I need something that is not only small and nimble, but feels that way too.

Understandable. A pony car is not for you then. Get a Solstice or a Miata instead.

And my wife will not go for something that feels claustrophobic.

lol, why do you care?

She NEEDS that feeling of openness. Honestly, my budget for my next car should be the low-$20K, but I was willing to really stretch that to $30K for what I thought was my dream car, but I just can't justify that now, especially if my wife is gonna hate it. Man I'm pissed.

Solstice GXP coupe is everything you want and more. Light, nimble and good power. If not, try the Nissan 370Z.


People trash the LX cars (300/magnum/charger/challenger) because they're heavy.

When I see pictures like this








and find out the guy lived to tell the tale.... I appreciate my 4000lb car.

In any case... if the car is not for you, it's not for you. No biggie.

[cam2fst4u]

Originally Posted by teamlynn1

Ditch the wife! Sounds to me like she is wearing the pants in your relationship, who cares what she likes. Buy her a minivan she can see out of and tell her to keep her ass out of your Camaro. The Camaro willbe fine in your twisties, dont put too much into a magazines review remember several of them named the DODGE CARAVAN the car of the year at one point and we know how that turned out right? After you personally drive the Camaro YOU can then evaluate for yourself how it feels and handles.

I love car sales people lol


As to the original poster.... I would wait and see the car in person and sit in it and hopefully drive it before making any decisions. If you still feel the same way then dont get the camaro.. I dont think anyone is going to try to twist your arm to get it the way it sounds around here you are going to have to twist the dealers arm to sell it to you...but just wait until you get to see the car before passing judgement

[Blownhotrodder]

Dude get a 370Z or look at the new genesis. These cars were awesome when I sat in them at the autoshow not to mention the interior was so much nicer as far as everything was concerned. I loved hearing some of you guys talking crap about the challenger being a boat and handling like crap, just waiting till the reviews of the camaro come out. Well read the reviews now boys, the camaro is a BOAT. Look at it slalom, looks like its about to go out of control. Not to mention the body roll, maybe next time some of you will reserve comments till you got something to back it up.

[fldrummer]

Originally Posted by teamlynn1

Ditch the wife! Sounds to me like she is wearing the pants in your relationship, who cares what she likes. Buy her a minivan she can see out of and tell her to keep her ass out of your Camaro. The Camaro willbe fine in your twisties, dont put too much into a magazines review remember several of them named the DODGE CARAVAN the car of the year at one point and we know how that turned out right? After you personally drive the Camaro YOU can then evaluate for yourself how it feels and handles.

ROFLMAO! I like this guy's attitude. 'Sounds like someone needs to remember what it means to be a man. She might not like it all the time, but she'll respect you more in the long run. If she doesn't, she's a control-freak and deserves to be dumped... However, I obviously don't know any of you or your situation, so I'll leave it at that--just my honest opinion.

[65535]

Originally Posted by fldrummer

ROFLMAO! I like this guy's attitude. 'Sounds like someone needs to remember what it means to be a man. She might not like it all the time, but she'll respect you more in the long run. If she doesn't, she's a control-freak and deserves to be dumped... However, I obviously don't know any of you or your situation, so I'll leave it at that--just my honest opinion.

prepare to be flamed.

Every time i say this to people all the butthurt, *****whipped sissies start getting on my case.

Any case, i got got your back brother.

[Mythic]

Originally Posted by Blownhotrodder

Dude get a 370Z or look at the new genesis. These cars were awesome when I sat in them at the autoshow not to mention the interior was so much nicer as far as everything was concerned. I loved hearing some of you guys talking crap about the challenger being a boat and handling like crap, just waiting till the reviews of the camaro come out. Well read the reviews now boys, the camaro is a BOAT. Look at it slalom, looks like its about to go out of control. Not to mention the body roll, maybe next time some of you will reserve comments till you got something to back it up.

Looks like the Car Testers got our back.

Jalopnik appearantly disaggrees with you.

The Camaro does bring one huge improvement over its platform-mate: there's virtually no body roll under any circumstances.

Road&Track

Fitted with 245/45ZR-20 front and 275/40ZR-20 rear Pirelli PZero tires, our test car garnered 0.87g around the skidpad and 66.8 mph through the slalom. ...better numbers than the Challenger SRT8 (0.85g and 65.0 slalom)

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by Blownhotrodder

Dude get a 370Z or look at the new genesis. These cars were awesome when I sat in them at the autoshow not to mention the interior was so much nicer as far as everything was concerned. I loved hearing some of you guys talking crap about the challenger being a boat and handling like crap, just waiting till the reviews of the camaro come out. Well read the reviews now boys, the camaro is a BOAT. Look at it slalom, looks like its about to go out of control. Not to mention the body roll, maybe next time some of you will reserve comments till you got something to back it up.

Though still much faster than the challenger. And what body roll? Did you even read the reviews? i think three of them said there was "No body roll whatsoever" and two said it was a "very stiff chassis with little to no body roll"

[fldrummer]

Originally Posted by 65535

prepare to be flamed.

Every time i say this to people all the butthurt, *****whipped sissies start getting on my case.

Any case, i got got your back brother.

Hence, the reason I stated my ''however'' sentence to end it. I realize relationships require some compromises, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

[stovt001]

And the true colors come out. For years, we've been talking about how this will be the true 21st century sports car - meaning well rounded, no-excuses, and thoroughly modern. Now that the reviews show that to maybe not be the case, everyone turns into a fanboy, justifying the faults and launching personal attacks.

Lets see if I have this right -

Because I want to see out and not have it feel like I'm

walking around with [my] shoulders hunched and a baseball cap pulled low over [my] eyes

my only options are a minivan or family car? So I shouldn't look at the abundance of sporty, high performance cars (Challenger excluded) that do offer views out?

Because my life isn't lived on straight quarter miles, I'm a prissy euro-fancy homosexual? Wow, what a classy group we have here. I can see the growing mullets already.

I should justify the same crappy plastics I've hated for years just because of the price, despite the fact the Mustang offers amazing interior materials with similar final performance numbers for about the same price? And all other competitors (again, except for the Challenger) offer fine interior materials, but I should ignore them too?

And feeling heavy, yes, I've known the weight for some time, but this is built on an updated Zeta platform. The same reviewers now saying the Camaro feels bigger than it really is said the G8 felt like it magically shrank in turns. So you better believe that all this time I figured the only logical conclusion would be that the Camaro, with its updated Zeta platform would improve on the G8's greatness in that area, not go the complete opposite direction. The GT-R is big and bulky, but it has no problems going around a twisty road. I know the price is different, but the principle stands that your options for going through tight turns are not limited to tiny 2 seat roadsters.

And sorry, I don't care how comfortable the seats are for overweight cheeseburger eating wife haters. I'm not a large guy. When I'm driving my car with enthusiasm I practically fly out of the wide seats that would be great for fat people. I have to jam my leg into the poorly designed dead pedal just to stay in place and I walk away hurting for days. Outside of mullet-ville drivers expect to take sports cars around turns (and not just the one at the end of the quarter mile) while being held in place. It isn't just a good feature, it is the price of entry. I expected the "21st Century sports car to get that right. The Cobalt SS offers fantastic grippy, supportive seats to non-wide people. Why should it be too much to expect the Camaro SS to offer the same?

I wasn't aware that if I wanted a nimble car the Miata was my only option (though false dilemmas allowing for only the most extreme option is a pretty common think-stop fallacy of logic for a fanboy). I guess I'll have to tell all the other high-powered 2+2 coupes I see on GMR that they're clearly doing it wrong and the Camaro guys said to get back on the quarter mile and boulevard where they belong. I'd love to try one out on the road myself, just like I'll try out the interior view and seats for myself, but since I don't think a salesman would let me test drive one on GMR at 8/10ths before buying I'll have to depend on these reviews. By the way, this isn't the opinion of one person. Each review is done after the evaluation of a team of people who have spent most of their careers test driving cars, and we're talking about pretty unanimous points made among a large number of reviews here.

To the person asking how a steering wheel can be bad, well, I know this doesn't make sense to anyone who only uses it to keep the car pointed straight down the strip and then make the turn at the end to return, but the steering wheel is the most important ergonomic element in the car, since that's what driver's have their hands on the most. If it isn't shaped well to the hand, it is uncomfortable. Simple as that.

Honestly, you guys did show me the errors of my thinking. All this time I bought the whole "21st century sports car" thing. I believed the whole mullet wearing, wife hating redneck who only cares about drag racing stereotype was totally false. I said this was one of the best forums out there, because there were so few fanboys, we could have disagreements without making personal insults, and that we could discuss shortcomings instead of mindlessly excusing them or covering them up as a think-stop. I thought this would represent a change of course for GM, where subjective measures of goodness would be just as important as style, size, and numbers, and "save a few bucks by going cheap on the interior" wouldn't be the order of the day. I wanted a a performance car that could go, stop and turn equally well, preferably RWD, that had good steering, a good interior, held you in place well, and was overall just fun to drive. I identified the Camaro as a strong contender in that category, and indeed it does go, stop, and turn better than I even hoped. I also held out the hope that the Camaro would be just like the G8, and have a praise-worthy interior and feel lighter and more nimble than the raw numbers would suggest. And on that it failed me. And because I'm not willing to overlook the bad, I'm apparently very much not welcome here. Well then, I think I may just leave. Hopefully a mid-cycle refresh changes that, or the reviewers all conspired to lie in exactly the same way, but I think the probability of that is low.

[2003chevy]

Honestly are you serious, The Camaro is an Icon and you can Love it or hate it thats fine but do'nt be mad when we pass you having the time of are lives.
Everyone likes what they like I work with a lot of import lovers at a tool shop in Wisconsin and we go back and forth all the time but at the end of the day nothing changes.

Originally Posted by stovt001

I have been looking forward to this day for a long time- The first real, full tests of the V6 and SS Camaros. I sat at my computer at 2:59, refreshing web pages until the Camaro reviews were finally posted. And for my efforts I was rewarded by having my dreams of a high-quality, nimble, sporty car to take up Glendora Mountain Road crushed. It seems unanimous: awful views out, unable to see apexes to hit them right, claustrophobic feeling, bad steering wheel, awful interior materials, wide, un-supportive seats, feelings of bulkiness and heaviness. I keep saying I'll reserve final judgment until I can see for myself, but when all the reviews are saying the exact same thing, it just doesn't give me much hope. I absolutely love the looks of this car. I love the engines. I love the heritage. But it just doesn't work for me. My fun drives are entirely on twisty, narrow, two lane mountain roads where any lack of visibility could kill you. I need something that is not only small and nimble, but feels that way too. And my wife will not go for something that feels claustrophobic. She NEEDS that feeling of openness. Honestly, my budget for my next car should be the low-$20K, but I was willing to really stretch that to $30K for what I thought was my dream car, but I just can't justify that now, especially if my wife is gonna hate it. Man I'm pissed.

[UCF w00t]

Please go back and read my posts in this thread. You obviously haven't. Because if you had, you would've seen that this statement you've made is 100% false.

Each review is done after the evaluation of a team of people who have spent most of their careers test driving cars, and we're talking about pretty unanimous points made among a large number of reviews here.

I posted this in the jalopnik thread but apparently you missed that so I'll add it here...

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

LOL. Editor-in-chief Ray Wert who has posted here a couple times posted this in the comments...

"I'd like to point out we went back and forth on this review. I stand by what Wes says about his first drive experience and he'd do the same for any of my first drive experiences. We'll have to do a full three-part review and see how that turns out."

and

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

Another quote from Ray in the comments...

"Wes and I happen to disagree on the interior more than anything else. I happen to think the interior's spot-on, but that may have a lot to do with my love of 'merican muscle. "

I don't have a love of 'merican muscle necessarily (I'm too young to remeber the old days) but I the only real gripes I have about the interior is the bland passenger dash and cloth inserts.

It's becoming apparent to me that you've convinced yourself that the Camaro sucks at handling. You had mentioned your worries of this in the past.

I'll urge you to clear your head and read the reviews again. This time don't start with Jalopnik.

These reviews are far from unanimous. And your comments about the handling... the conclusion I came to is that the car handles great but it takes some getting used to and that because of the visibility it feels a bit bigger than it is since you cant see where the body panels stop. That is 100% caused by the styling of the car.

[DDustiNN]

Originally Posted by stovt001

I have been looking forward to this day for a long time- The first real, full tests of the V6 and SS Camaros. I sat at my computer at 2:59, refreshing web pages until the Camaro reviews were finally posted. And for my efforts I was rewarded by having my dreams of a high-quality, nimble, sporty car to take up Glendora Mountain Road crushed. It seems unanimous: awful views out, unable to see apexes to hit them right, claustrophobic feeling, bad steering wheel, awful interior materials, wide, un-supportive seats, feelings of bulkiness and heaviness. I keep saying I'll reserve final judgment until I can see for myself, but when all the reviews are saying the exact same thing, it just doesn't give me much hope. I absolutely love the looks of this car. I love the engines. I love the heritage. But it just doesn't work for me. My fun drives are entirely on twisty, narrow, two lane mountain roads where any lack of visibility could kill you. I need something that is not only small and nimble, but feels that way too. And my wife will not go for something that feels claustrophobic. She NEEDS that feeling of openness. Honestly, my budget for my next car should be the low-$20K, but I was willing to really stretch that to $30K for what I thought was my dream car, but I just can't justify that now, especially if my wife is gonna hate it. Man I'm pissed.

Did you fail to notice that, beside these small things, most of the reviewers loved the car and thought it was a great for the money? Or do you just focus on negativity? No car is going to be perfect for everyone, but I read every single review and came away feeling that the car is well worth the money they're asking, and that the majority of them loved the time they had with it.