Why are some headers so much more than others?

[jdpdesign]

Last beer and off to bed. But I will sleep soundly knowing my 3rd world Mexican transmission will be as fun to row through tomorrow as it was today.

Can we atleast agree that imported Asian chicks = good

[axis]

Originally Posted by MatchbookSS

Lol. I knew that someone would bring that up. At the very least, I'm at least contributing to a country that's at least part of NAFTA...Furthermore, Canada is one of the biggest trade partners with America, if I recall correctly, and is a major target of our own exports...Additionally, those Canucks also tend to come down across the border and like to spend money in America, thus injecting money back into the American economy. It's better than nothing, and I'm sure that Mr. Yan working for slave wages in a Chinese factory certainly isn't spending his money in a way that is beneficial to America, considering that they import virtually nothing. Same with Japan. Neither Canada nor Japan's import/export ratio is nearly as lopsided as China's...I'd rather deal with a lesser evil, which by the way is far more quality (as reflected in the fact that Japanese products aren't cheap, I lived there for 4 years) than Chinese knockoff products with zero labor laws or standards.

You can argue this all you want, but a little nationalism doesn't hurt this country or it's economy. Buying foreign hurts us. Plain and simple. And before anyone else says it, I try and do my best to support American and major American trade partners (as in people who also import from us on a more equal scale than China).

Not that it really matters. I mean, opinions are opinions...if you feel that the only way you can play this game is to buy inferior, cheaply made, probably human rights violation products from a country that is essentially out to screw us, then that's you're perogative. I just want to know how you sleep soundly at night knowing that you're buddy****ing America.

So what you're saying is that it's ok to outsource to countries that aren't trying to scew us? Obviously you haven't seen the documentary, "Canadian Bacon", . It's not the outsourcing that bothers you but who it's outsourced to? You can't have it both ways. Either you bitch and moan at ANYTHING outsourced or you don't bitch at all.

[MatchbookSS]

Originally Posted by axis

So what you're saying is that it's ok to outsource to countries that aren't trying to scew us? Obviously you haven't seen the documentary, "Canadian Bacon", . It's not the outsourcing that bothers you but who it's outsourced to? You can't have it both ways. Either you bitch and moan at ANYTHING outsourced or you don't bitch at all.

Why can't you? There's a distinct difference between the level of competition that Canadia (yes, that was on purpose), and China represents on a global economic scale. To say otherwise, is well, just not true. Sure, it's not optimal, but is by far a lesser of two evils. It's not like the guys working in Oshawa are being paid the equivalent of 4 dollars an hour under inhumane or unsafe working conditions, under the watchful eye of socialist-style "free market capitalism"...

[axis]

Originally Posted by MatchbookSS

Why can't you? There's a distinct difference between the level of competition that Canadia (yes, that was on purpose), and China represents on a global economic scale. To say otherwise, is well, just not true. Sure, it's not optimal, but is by far a lesser of two evils. It's not like the guys working in Oshawa are being paid the equivalent of 4 dollars an hour under inhumane or unsafe working conditions, under the watchful eye of socialist-style "free market capitalism"...

What happened to the "Only American Made" comment? That was what I was referring to with the other poster. While you choose who you feel it's ok to outsource to, the fact remains that outsourcing to ANYONE is taking money away from our economy. I'm in no way giving the guys that made our car a hard time, but you seem to want to have your cake and eat it too. As I said previously, you can't stand up and say "buy American only" then say it's ok to not buy American as long as they aren't China. Can you not see the hypocracy in your beliefs?

[A.R. Headers]

Axis, I'm not sure how old you are but just a few short years ago it was unthinkable to buy performance parts made for your American car that came from China. Those that did learned mighty quick what real junk is. (Think Eagle Crankshafts as an example) To be quite honest it hasn't changed all the much today. The Chinese manufacturer's that make the parts have no idea what they're working on. They only know what has to be done to copy it and then they rely on dirtbags with zero integrity to sell it stateside. Quite often they lie and state it's US made.

Imagine having your system knocked off and then have them claim that it's made here for a fraction of what we charge. That's happened to us by a vendor that so prominentally claims his systems are the greatest thing ever right here on this very forum. It sucks but that's the reality you have to deal with when you're ARH.

Nick

[KILLER74Z28]

Originally Posted by A.R. Headers

Axis, I'm glad you think that our great reputation is the reason why we charge so much. On the contrary, ARH is only a 5-6 year old company based in NY that preaches that only 100% US quality is good enough for our products. Before we even prototyped our first system back in 2005 we knew that we'd incorporate only the best materials and the very best components to produce a system that offers the least amount of compromises in performance. We then took our time forming our pipes to fit great and install as easily as the chassis would allow. This philosophy "ONLY" is why we most often cost a bit more than our competitors. Our reputation was built on this philosophy not the other way around.

Now for those that feel Chinese performance parts are just the ticket at only 300-400 dollars, ARH quality was never meant for you. And we're perfectly ok with that. ARH is the number one selling header system for the Gen 5 Camaro. I can assure you of that. It seems Camaro owners (not to mention quite a few forum members) believe in our philosophy.

Nick

PS, If you and anyone on this forum is anywhere near Amityville, NY and would like to see what really goes into developing and manufacturing the best header systems in the world, our doors are always open.

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[MatchbookSS]

Originally Posted by axis

What happened to the "Only American Made" comment? That was what I was referring to with the other poster. While you choose who you feel it's ok to outsource to, the fact remains that outsourcing to ANYONE is taking money away from our economy. I'm in no way giving the guys that made our car a hard time, but you seem to want to have your cake and eat it too. As I said previously, you can't stand up and say "buy American only" then say it's ok to not buy American as long as they aren't China. Can you not see the hypocracy in your beliefs?

Well, let's put it this way. There's absolutely no way anyone out there can buy EVERY single product that they have in their life that is American-made only. Not a chance. Globalization has made that virtually impossible. So, if ANYONE ever says that they only buy American, I suppose that it is a bit inaccurate. Hypocritical? I suppose if you take out all of the points that you just conveniently ignored in my last post. I'm supporting NAFTA trade partner at the very least, and at least supporting an economy that has more a positive, symbiotic relationship with the American economy. So, sure, I see kind of where you see hypocrisy. What I see, is not so much the "it's okay to outsource not to China", but more "it's not okay either, but there's no way around it..."...because, there isn't a way around it. Plain and simple. But I do go out of my way to ensure that as much stuff as possible that I purchase, be it clothing, car parts, and what have, is domestically produced.

Perhaps I should say the words, "domestically produced", inferring North American trade partners, rather than just "just made in the USA". Would that make you more happy?